Will humanity devolve to wearing nothing at all again and will the rise of homosexuality cause human

asim18 said:
That doesn't mean you're born gay. Well not conceived gay anyway.

Changes in the brain happen continuously. Even right now new connections are forming and others are deforming. This is why I said I cant be gay because I've passed sexual maturation (puberty). The connections in my brain have "fixed" or matured. In a sexually immature individual these changes can happen when you're 10 hours old or even 10 years old.
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Cite?
 
Tefal said:
or, you know, immigrants do it.
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Low skilled immigrants aren't going to transform our society for us.
Cleeecooo said:
I'm not entirely sure what that would achieve. Unless you are saying that wealthy parents are more deserving of kids, or would raise them better?

Either way, money is still essentially being given out for people to have kids, except now it's to those who don't need it.
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I don't think they are any more deserving, but I think they would raise them better. It would increase the chances of having a generation of children that are better educated, well-rounded and net contributors to society.

I am not trying to debate the removal of child support. I think if we didn't encourage poor people to have children with money, but instead used that money to encourage wealthier people to have children, we may have better results.
 
asim18 said:
That doesn't mean you're born gay. Well not conceived gay anyway.

Changes in the brain happen continuously. Even right now new connections are forming and others are deforming. This is why I said I cant be gay because I've passed sexual maturation (puberty). The connections in my brain have "fixed" or matured. In a sexually immature individual these changes can happen when you're 10 hours old or even 10 years old.
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It's nature vs nurture.


I think you are either born gay or environmental factors cause you to become gay while their brain develops as they grow up.
 
asim18 said:
Sexual promiscuity is at an all time high. With the rise in popular media (cheaper TVs, cheaper internet, cheaper computers, phones, tablets, etc.) the world is being fed tonnes of sex propaganda.

We humble Overclocker-ers might not notice this, but the current generation of young girls are growing up idolising Beyonce, Rihanna et al. (and Justin Beiber, who I'll get to later). Boys and girls are becoming sexually active at unprecedented ages. Lets face it, you rarely, if ever, see "celebrity idols" fully or decently clothed these days.

For example (among many), on several occasions I have witnessed girls who I thought had completely forgotten to wear a skirt over their tights (these weren't jeggings).

Now this is where Justin Bieber comes in. These young girls are growing up believing Justin Bieber is a man. When they become sexually active, the age of which is also getting younger and younger, they will naturally limit themselves to skinny-jeans wearing borderline homosexuals. Gone will be the days when women were attracted to manly-men.

This brings me onto the topic of homosexuality. (I stress that I'm not judging homosexuality in any way, merely discussing the evolutionary impact of increasing homosexuality.)
The media is full of homosexuality. Gok Wan, Alan Carr, David Walliams et al, are filling the media with gayness. These days, heterosexuality is being phased out as a necessity of life and homosexuality is being influx as a choice of life. Gone are the days when adolescents having their first sexual attractions initially tried to like girls, and only turned gay if it didn't work. Now it's a choice and they're both normal, a kid growing up will think "ah I remember that guy saying liking boys is normal" and will initially start having homosex with his buddies rather than even trying to get a girlfriend for heterosex.


I'm not saying decent women and straight men will be wiped out in a months time; I'm simply predicting that they will become scarce, like ancient tribes are today, in 100 to 5,000 years time.
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There has been sexual promiscuity and buggery since the dawn of man, it is no worse or better now than it ever was or has been.
 
XeNoN89 said:
It's nature vs nurture.


I think you are either born gay or environmental factors cause you to become gay while their brain develops as they grow up.
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If one is born gay (not genetically, rather hormonally in the womb), then these same environmental factors can cause one to become straight.

This is why I'm saying you cannot be born gay/straight genetically. Because environment can affect it. The environment cannot affect the colour of your eyes - which is an actual genetic trait.

So if you were genetically conceived gay/straight, the hormonal imbalances and environmental effects would have no affect on sexuality. Which isn't the case.
 
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asim18 said:
That doesn't mean you're born gay. Well not conceived gay anyway.

Changes in the brain happen continuously. Even right now new connections are forming and others are deforming. This is why I said I cant be gay because I've passed sexual maturation (puberty). The connections in my brain have "fixed" or matured. In a sexually immature individual these changes can happen when you're 10 hours old or even 10 years old.
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So some connections are fixed (the ones that control your sexual orientation for instance) but others aren't and can change? What makes sexual orientation a special instance with a point where it becomes fixed but say the part that controls whether you like broccoli isn't?

At the point where you're a zygote maybe you're more likely to be born gay and maybe you aren't but I wouldn't have thought it was something to dismiss lightly when it is at least on the face of it evidence that nature has a role to play in determining sexual orientation.

Woden said:
The whole thing is very interesting. Unfortunately studies like this are usually met with hostility from many angles. I can understand why, if something akin to a "gay gene" were ever discovered, no doubt there would be some jumping back on the eugenics kick.

But, being i myself, I would like to know why. No other reason, just to know. We know what causes hair my colour, eye colour, why I dont like carrots. But this seems to be some sort of taboo subject.
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Potentially you're right and a discovery such as this might be used to try and "cure" homosexuality but hopefully we'll manage to steer clear of such dubious moral areas. There is, from my point of view, absolutely no need to cure something that is perfectly normal and natural.
 
semi-pro waster said:
There is, from my point of view, absolutely no need to cure something that is perfectly normal and natural.
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interestingly though there may be people to whom the idea of swapping their sexuality, from straight to gay, from gay to straight or from wither to bisexual or visa versa, may be an appealing concept.

while not a "cure" it may be something that people would want
 
If I could switch my sexual attraction from male to female and vice versa without consequence, I'd probably do it for the lulz. That said, I'm quite happy the way I am. I'm not sure I'd want to change permanently - I prefer the non-sexual aspects of it, too.
 
PMKeates said:
If I could switch my sexual attraction from male to female and vice versa without consequence, I'd probably do it for the lulz. That said, I'm quite happy the way I am. I'm not sure I'd want to change permanently - I prefer the non-sexual aspects of it, too.
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you know you can bum a dude without being gay right? if you wanna give it a whirl, go for it.

edit..wait...are you a girl :squint:
 
PMKeates said:
Low skilled immigrants aren't going to transform our society for us.I don't think they are any more deserving, but I think they would raise them better. It would increase the chances of having a generation of children that are better educated, well-rounded and net contributors to society.

I am not trying to debate the removal of child support. I think if we didn't encourage poor people to have children with money, but instead used that money to encourage wealthier people to have children, we may have better results.
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I think that many people who've had a better start to life have just been jerks about it, rubbing it in others' faces and just generally acting like brats.

As a percentage, I'd be surprised to see any difference between poor people and rich people in terms of how well they raise their kids. Although, I suppose data like tat is hard to collect and quantify.

As for contribution to society, wealthy people tend to give us professionals, and working class tend to give us unskilled, but necessary labour, I'd argue both give a similar cOntribution to society.
 
bigjohnsonrichard said:
you know you can bum a dude without being gay right? if you wanna give it a whirl, go for it.

edit..wait...are you a girl :squint:
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I'm a gay guy :p
Tefal said:
in what way if you don't mind me asking?
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It's very hard to describe, especially without seeming sexist. I think at the crux of it, it's the way men think and behave that I like, and this is probably enormously rare among the female population. Words that sort of orbit my feelings here: independence, sexual drive, emotionally open and straightforward.
bigjohnsonrichard said:
same applies :o dont need to be straight to bum a girl.
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I know. I could do it, but it'd probably be a numb experience for me. I want to feel it 'properly'.
Cleeecooo said:
I think that many people who've had a better start to life have just been jerks about it, rubbing it in others' faces and just generally acting like brats.

As a percentage, I'd be surprised to see any difference between poor people and rich people in terms of how well they raise their kids. Although, I suppose data like tat is hard to collect and quantify.

As for contribution to society, wealthy people tend to give us professionals, and working class tend to give us unskilled, but necessary labour, I'd argue both give a similar cOntribution to society.
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I would expect to see some correlation. Most people who are wealthy are still workers, to earn well you normally need to have something to offer, and to have something to offer you need to be fairly smart. Being switched-on about work and life will probably mean you are a more switched-on parent. That doesn't necessarily mean you have a great moral compass, but you are more likely to make decisions that give your children a better chance. The provision of unskilled workers isn't necessarily a net loss for society, but a glut of ***** scumbags is. It's the ***** scumbags we should try to address.
 
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PMKeates said:
I'm a gay guy :pIt's very hard to describe, especially without seeming sexist. I think at the crux of it, it's the way men think and behave that I like, and this is probably enormously rare among the female population. Words that sort of orbit my feelings here: independence, sexual drive, emotionally open and straightforward.I know. I could do it, but it'd probably be a numb experience for me. I want to feel it 'properly'.
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fair enough i can understand that.

guessing that means you aren't a fan of the camp gays then? :p
 
It has got to the point now where I assume everybody is Gay until proven otherwise. Modern man is Gay by default.

As for them taking over the World, Who cares there a fun bunch of approachable people who don't offend me in anyway at all.

On a side note I went to Heaven when I was 18, One of the best nightclubs I've ever been to. :cool:
 
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