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Will Intel® Core™i7 (Bloomfield/X58) owners be able to afford an upgrade?

I am asking your opinions on Intel®'s marketing strategy and whether or not they will ramp up the cost of any future LGA1366 processors

A few random thoughts

They will not ramp up the cost of any future LGA1366 processors as they are already so expensive, I7 is still for the enthusiast/business market and P55 for home users. As has been said before an I7 will last for years if it is treated right and I don't think there is anything on the horizon either which will warrant needing to change the MB. Intel are likely also reluctant to do anything too radical as they are really ramping xeons right now.

Those gulftown ss look good but would I presume that is an engineering sample chip and not what we will get in the shops (bit like the q spec I5's which were supposed to be clocking at 5g on air)
 
Those gulftown ss look good but would I presume that is an engineering sample chip and not what we will get in the shops (bit like the q spec I5's which were supposed to be clocking at 5g on air)

As a general rule, ES chips clock badly when compared to retail chips. Over the years i've had quite a few ES's and none of them clocked as well as the retail version. I know that some members on this forum that have had ES's have found the same thing as well. Don't get ES's mixed up with "cherry picked" cpu's, that's a different thing altogether.
 
Firstly, you really shouldn't label people that don't worry about the upgrade path when buying as sealed box fans, and inferring that they aren't hardware enthusiasts. It may not be your intention, but it is coming across to me as a bit arrogant and elitest.

We build the box to do what it needs, selecting the components just as carefully as anyone else building there own rig.

when it needs upgrading we will upgrade it with what is available. My current rig has had several upgrades, GPU, additional RAM, PSU, HD, Monitor and even keyboards, so it has definitely not been a sealed box.

You don't have to spend a fortune on hardware to be a hardware enthusiast, replacing something every 1-2 months or even more frequently. With 9 rigs I can't afford too. I am also a steam locomotive enthusiast, and I have NO intention whatsoever of buying one of those. My dad owned one and that was close enough for me.

Nows thats over and back to the thread.

Intel now has two processor streams for the desktop.

1156 and 1366. 1156 is for mainstream, and 1366 is for extreme market. We have already seen that Intel have started to take the 1366 upwards, in the way that left the 920 alone but removed the higher end 9x0 in favour of faster ones. Intel need to get daylight between the two platforms for there strategy to work.

The difference between an i7 860 and i7 920 in gaming/corporate is negligible and Intel will need to remove the overlap, otherwise they will cannabilize sales of the 1366 systems into large corporate accounts, which is where they really make there money. Large corporates are sealed box environments so the fact that can't upgrade isn't an issue. People that would have bought the cheaper 1366 will therefore buy a high end 1156 or find the extra for the 1366 system anyway. By moving the 1366 upwards then can maintain a better margin on the product.

As such Intel has no incentive to keep a cheap 1366 cpu around, as they will need to ramp speed on the 1156 to combat AMD and ensure remain ahead, in the mainstream sector.

Some of the i7 920 owners will be able to afford to upgrade to the i9 series, however I don't see it as a large percentage of i7 1366 owners being able to afford to do so, as Intel have no incentive to keep a cheap 1366 around. That is what the 1156 platform is for.

Intel will keep the i7 920 around to help the partners shift the last of there x58 boards out the door, but after that they have no need to keep such a chip around.

Gigabyte appear to have cancelled the A revision of there x58 boards and already apparently withdrawn the GA-EX58-UD4P. Overclockers also seem to be reducing the number of x58 board available as well, which is another good indicator, that the 1366 processors aren't going to continue selling as well, and main focus will be on 1156 processors. Other sites also seem to be reducing 1366 and x58 as well.

If the retailers aren't seeing a big future for 1366 then is likely to be that they aren't seeing the demand for them. Biggest cause is that not very likely to be affordable.
 
No doubt that the 1156 platform will outsell 1366 in the retail market let alone the OEM sector, still, there will always be a market for 1366 as long as it is 'current' and upto speed. It simply offers a few things that the S-1156 platform does not, the main one for the enthusiast market being full speed crossfire. For the workstation market, I would say triple channel memory is the main one, although both could be useful there. Also, beyond this, the ability to support multiple CPU sockets. Also the extremely easy overclocking, at stock or near stock voltage makes it attractive to the enthusiast market, but I'd say that factor is quite specific to said market, which is quite small really.

No doubt though, 1366's market share will shrink in areas it does not offer any real advantage to the 1156 platform.
 
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IMO anyone whos buys a ready made computer or a pre clocked system is a pseudo hardware enthusiast.

I mean the whole point and fun is doing it yourself.

Also no disrespect to the tech guys at OCUK.

Those hardware guys aint gonna get as fast clocks as me :p
 
IMO anyone whos buys a ready made computer or a pre clocked system is a pseudo hardware enthusiast.

I mean the whole point and fun is doing it yourself.

Also no disrespect to the tech guys at OCUK.

Those hardware guys aint gonna get as fast clocks as me :p

As opposed to an off the shelf OEM sealed box, yea, you're probably half right at least. I would think they would have more interest and enthusiasm than the average person at least.
 
Firstly, you really shouldn't label people that don't worry about the upgrade path when buying as sealed box fans, and inferring that they aren't hardware enthusiasts. It may not be your intention, but it is coming across to me as a bit arrogant and elitest.
I'm not sure I have said anything for you to conclude I am being "arrogant and elitest" :confused:

You posted in a thread I made to ask peoples opinions about the future, in your first reply you made a very sweeping statement that basically anyone who likes to upgrade and swap bits about in their computer are all "Stupid"?

Buying a system for an upgrade path is stupid

While I am not the biggest fan of the term *Future-Proof* I think you will find the great majority of the overclockers here and around the world would prefere not buying into a dead platform or if not a dead platform then one that will prove financially very difficult to upgrade.

If you don't care to much about your platform that's fine, I don't think your stupid but you go about your hardware hobby in a different way to me and many others and you sound quite happy to put a mean machine together and get on with using it, again which is fine but what I don't appreciate is your intolerance towards people with a different viewpoint to your own.

I don't want any beef so just please apologize for your rude comments and we can all carry on with the technical discussion . . .
 
While I am not the biggest fan of the term *Future-Proof* I think you will find the great majority of the overclockers here and around the world would prefer not buying into a dead platform or if not a dead platform then one that will prove financially very difficult to upgrade.

Personally I think we have bought into a market we were never meant to buy into and it is already too late (unless you have no trouble affording extreme edition chips). Intel didn't have to release I7 when they did as AMD has nothing that can hold a candle too it but they did and we parted with our money and now intel have moved the goal posts.

Not that this concerns me greatly as the 920 will go great guns for years, just don't plan on buying another chip for 1366 MB in 2 years time
 
I actually like buying new chips and boards and trying new and different bits, it is my hobby after all. So it doesn't worry me in the slightest at the end of the day.
 
I mean the whole point and fun is doing it yourself.

I recently learnt this. I bought my current from a custom PC company. As soon as I installed a new graphics card, I suddenly had this urge to do everything myself. It's like a bug!

Certainly, it does make it a LOT more fun =D

However, some people don't have time to do it themselves. Or don't feel confident enough to do so.

Sorry for going off topic here =p
 
The opposite end of the spectrum to your last comment would be buying a sealed box, its got hardware in it, you don't really know what it is but its a computer and it does stuff.

Us hardware enthusiasts generally always consider the route ahead when buying stuff, not all but most I would say! :cool:

If your hobby is benchmarks maybe.

I'm all for making a computer in the here and now with the parts I want... and then just using it... It's not even a question of whether its a good upgrade path, it's what I'm after now and it's likely to be workable for the next say 5 years with increasingly worse performance compared to the cutting edge. I can live with that. It costs less.

You can only plan an upgrade path if you know what's coming. If you plan your system to be upgraded chasing the latest news and releases being pushed by the manufacturers then that's doable. Longer term you might as well flip a coin.

I think people are viewing £500 six core chips in the wrong light. A gamer does not want 12 threads, they're only just managing to justify four. There are precious few things that can use so many processing cores. I am choosing to ignore encoding, because I just can't believe it matters whether something that can be run overnight takes 6 hours or 8.

However, where there is a market for this is workstations. CAD (some anyway) loves ram, processors and bandwidth. Enter the six core X58 chip. Servers have always loved ram and processors. Virtual machines will also love this, so there are options like running a really large number of thin clients off one X58 board.

+1

If its £500 for a chip and that's starting to look stupid, then you're looking at the wrong chip for you.

If the bottom end if the X58 is all you're comfortable with when the next chips for it come out then so be it, scrap the plan to upgrade all the way up the X58 tree. You can't predict the future.
 
Firstly kudos to the thread starter as this is proving interesting reading.

Im stuck between a rock and a hard place at the minute. Im upgrading from my well used and abused Sig rig.
My original plan was to go the i7 920 route, but with the new i5/i7 and the performance that especially the 860 is kicking out im swayed to go for the newer 1156 platform.

Ive often sat thinking on these forums recently, that realisticlly, unless theres a future 1366 chip marketed around £200-250 region its going to be too expensive for me to go down the 1366 route.

So that points me toward the 1156 platform and especially the i7 860 but then im reluctent as i would prefer 2 x16 pci-e lanes and not to run at the 2 x8 pci-e the 1156 offers and i would prefer tripple channel memory over dual channel. But realistically its probably going to be the path i go down.

My pc's main intended use is for gaming and occasional video editing/graphics work so seriously considering i wont be able to afford £400+ upgrades to skt1366 and that the 860 clocks equal to the 920 and outperforms it with respect to gaming, the skt 1156 is the way for me even though i'ld set my heart on a 920 on 1366?
 
Yes but if you read the boards' specifications, it doesnt state that they drop to x8/x8 in sli/xfire, it merely states 2x 16, thats my point
eg: Expasion slots: 3x PCIe 2.0 x16 Slots, 2x PCIe x1 Slots & 2x PCI Slots (Supports ATI CrossFireX & NVIDIA SLI Technology)

It's because the 8x/8x lanes is a CPU limitation, Lynnfield have a built in (and somewhat castrated) PCI-E controller.
 
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