Will IOS' simplisticity lead to it's doom?

555BUK said:
Just two popups today. One asking to upgrade iTunes and the other asking to upgrde my daughters ipod software.
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I know that I can click the "do not ask me again" button, but that only counts for this software version. As soon as another is available, messages popup again.

Now, I only connect my ipod to sync media once every 2 or 3 weeks, but I sseem to get these messages and others all of the time. When I connect the Samsung, Explorer opos up and thats it.

....and I was an Apple enthusiast until last week, and I still own several Apple devices, including an iPad, several iPods, and the old iPhone4. Perhaps this is why the continual popups bug me so much.
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You just seem to be trolling now...
 
555BUK said:
Just two popups today. One asking to upgrade iTunes and the other asking to upgrde my daughters ipod software.
pop1o.jpg

I know that I can click the "do not ask me again" button, but that only counts for this software version. As soon as another is available, messages popup again.

Now, I only connect my ipod to sync media once every 2 or 3 weeks, but I sseem to get these messages and others all of the time. When I connect the Samsung, Explorer opos up and thats it.

....and I was an Apple enthusiast until last week, and I still own several Apple devices, including an iPad, several iPods, and the old iPhone4. Perhaps this is why the continual popups bug me so much.
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Lol classic.
 
iTunes is great on OSX but pretty terrible on Windows. I find it very slow and unresponsive at times, especially when flicking through the content tabs on connected devices.

Also, my pinned taskbar icon always disappears when I upgrade iTunes. :confused:

I'm guessing that the Windows dev team is to Apple what Craggy Island is to the Catholic church. :p I doubt anyone at Apple wants to be writing Windows apps.
 
Tunney said:
iTunes is great on OSX but pretty terrible on Windows. I find it very slow and unresponsive at times, especially when flicking through the content tabs on connected devices.

Also, my pinned taskbar icon always disappears when I upgrade iTunes. :confused:

I'm guessing that the Windows dev team is to Apple what Craggy Island is to the Catholic church. :p I doubt anyone at Apple wants to be writing Windows apps.
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'Pretty terrible' is a bit of a stretch, surely?

It's generally fast and responsive on any of my machines and I've never found it to be too bad. I've never understood why so many people complain about it to be honest.

The taskbar thing is strange but how often do you upgrade iTunes, is it really much of an issue? Not really.
 
555BUK said:
IOS is certainly the most intuitive OS available. My nan can (and does) use it, and any 5 year old could master it within 5 minutes. IOS is very very good, and I was happy with it for 3-4 years.
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The same can be said for Android though.
My wife had a San Fransisco and hasn't asked me once how something works.
My daughter uses a spare San Fransisco when her iPhone goes on the blink and once again no questions asked (she's just bought a 4G but is still using the SF).
Two women at work have just had a San Fransisco and Galaxy Ace with no need for a booklet and my 75 year old Mum is using a San Fransisco with no problems.
It seems that a lot of IOS geeks think an Android phone is a blank canvas when you buy it and it has to be setup but nothing is further from the truth, everything you need is on the screens just like an iPhone.

Lets not kid ourselves about Jailbreaking IOS, the main use is to find your own IPA files to use.

IOS is here to stay for a very long time, great OS and just like an Android it's simple to use out of the box.
 
iTunes just doesn't have the same intergration on Windows that it does on OSX, on OSX there are a ton of scripts you can run to get album art and lyrics etc.... on Windows you have to download an different app for each thing
 
Dimple said:
The same can be said for Android though.
My wife had a San Fransisco and hasn't asked me once how something works.
My daughter uses a spare San Fransisco when her iPhone goes on the blink and once again no questions asked (she's just bought a 4G but is still using the SF).
Two women at work have just had a San Fransisco and Galaxy Ace with no need for a booklet and my 75 year old Mum is using a San Fransisco with no problems.
It seems that a lot of IOS geeks think an Android phone is a blank canvas when you buy it and it has to be setup but nothing is further from the truth, everything you need is on the screens just like an iPhone.

Lets not kid ourselves about Jailbreaking IOS, the main use is to find your own IPA files to use.

IOS is here to stay for a very long time, great OS and just like an Android it's simple to use out of the box.
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While Android isn't difficult to use, it certainly isn't as intuitive in general.
 
oli356 said:
Think your kidding yourself if you think that.
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Actually, most people use it on a try-before-you-buy basis, because keeping cracked apps up-to-date is impossible.

SBSettings, Winterboard and 3G unrestricter are the only reasons to jailbreak
 
Dimple said:
Why do you think that?

I can lay both IOS and Android in front of me and both have icons for the main uses and all you have to do is touch them to work.
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Yes, in that sense you are correct, I'm sure anyone that can work an iPhone can work an Android phone - no question.

However, things that make it more 'simple' and consistent are things such as -

Overall UI consistency, Android apps tend to look vastly different from each other/use different buttons in different places, etc. iPhone ones tend to follow similar design trends with button placements, menu layouts, etc.

Settings are easier to find, there are often hidden menu's and such that allow you to do more advanced things in Android where on the iPhone everything is usually located in one place.

Widgets and home screens can make the phone feel 'messy' to people that don't use or want them there.

Things like that, it's a collective of fairly small (sounding) things that make a big difference overall when it comes to the intuitiveness of the OS in general.
 
Robbo said:
Overall UI consistency, Android apps tend to look vastly different from each other/use different buttons in different places, etc. iPhone ones tend to follow similar design trends with button placements, menu layouts, etc.
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I'll give you that one.

Another area where Android is a pain in the ass is 'will the app work on my device?'.
I've just installed Tab Master and Guitar Pro on my SGS and both work and then I installed them on my ASUS Transformer and both do a Force Close.
My experience with iOS (my iPod and daughters phone) is that all apps work.
 
I have had all sorts of phones and at the end of the day, the iPhone does the job, but I wouldn't complain if I was to have say a Nexus or SGS2 as well. I wouldn't be surprised if most here would say they love the customisation of the Android OS, but most of the smartphone user population don't frequent these forums. What I'm trying to say is that many users here are quite technically knowledged and thus would get bored of the simple 'iOS' interface, especially when they can mod Android to their fancy.

This isn't an Android vs iOS view, but more about 'customisability, yes or not'. Heck, I even get customers saying iPhones are too difficult to use and miss their old style Nokias!

A too simple approach may be a factor in downfallness, but too much 'fragmentation' can also be.
 
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Jay794 said:
Actually, most people use it on a try-before-you-buy basis, because keeping cracked apps up-to-date is impossible.

SBSettings, Winterboard and 3G unrestricter are the only reasons to jailbreak
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But a lot of people will go without ever using cracked apps. If anything I find them a PITA. Being unsure of what you actually own etc, can't update 'as easy' etc etc. Especially as so many applications are cheap.

There's other reasons on top of those... Folder applications so I don't need 3 folders for my games and can have 1 and scroll in it. App lockers so if I let someone on my iPad for example I can lock them out of going onto certain things... or lock them into that application. These things for me I find important. I know on Android there's applications (might need to be rooted?) for password protection etc.

I don't know why Apple didn't add sbsettings options within the notification centre, like Android (everyone would say they are copying Google though). Especially as the 4S has a pretty poor battery life in my opinion, I want to be able to disable Wi-fi quickly when I don't need it. I'm not bothered about widgets and live wallpapers (I don't stare at my background) but I want things added on iOS so I don't feel like I want to jailbreak. My iPad is, my 4S will be when a jailbreak is released.
 
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Robbo said:
Oh look! It's the imaginary iTunes problems again.

In the last 2 or so years I've never had what you describe. Plus, Android offers nothing like iTunes anyway.

Kies is absolutely dire and you don't need it anyway on Android.
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I've never understood the hatred people have for iTunes, and all the "problems" they seem to have are definitely suspect. I've used it for years and it's been perfectly fine and it's not like iTunes is the only software that nags for updates, a lot of software does this any any complaint about that isn't really valid when aimed at iTunes. The fact that people go out of their way to get their non-apple devices to be able to sync with or be managed by iTunes says it all as well.

I'm also convinced people don't actually understand what "bloatware" actually means and think it's interchangeable with "don't like".
 
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Just to prove there are lies, damn lies and statistics.. in follow up to the stats that showed the S2 being the top seller here's another view from the US.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/ios-marketshare-up-from-26-in-q3-to-43-in-octnov-2011/

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still not sure what it really shows other than there was a heck of a lot of pent up demand of a new iPhone following the delays and will they won't they over the 5.

I don't get this hatred of itunes, god knows I can break pretty much anything and I've never had any issues with it, it doesn't want updating any more often than drivers/AV/adobe etc and at least the updates often add new functionality rather than security and it's not exactly hard work to do either, I don;t see why you'd resist. I can see why you might with iOS because you don't want to lose jailbreaks etc but thats half the reason they issue the updates in the first place so it's just a fact of life.
 
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