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Will Nvidia Ever Support Freesync ?

Free sync is AMD's proprietary solution for adapTive sync so nvidia will never support free sync. Nvidia already support adaptive sync in laptops because that was the industry standard. For desktop monitors it doesn't really make sense to support adaptive sync because Gsync is simply the better technology and nvidia have more control over user experience, eliminating the problem with the adaptive sync monitors poor refresh r age on certain monitors amongst other well known problems.


If adaptive sync catches up in quality then we might see nvidia reconsider.

As for price differences that is pretty much down to market differences. As the article on Toms Hardware showed, not only did most people prefer Gsync but most people said they would pay up to $200 extra to get a synced monitor. So monitor manufactured are sellin gsync monitos at market rates, and nvidia get a small financial bonus with their module. If things got more competitive the price difference would disappear, the nvidia module is barely any more expensive to produce that an adaptive sync controller/scaler of similar quality and equivalent gsync monitor tuning.


The situation is t ideal for consumers but the technology is too young to have a market lead.
 
Gregster said:
Tom Peterson did state that they had no intention of supporting A-Sync and will be sticking with G-Sync and seeing where the lions share of the market is buying and prices of the G-Sync monitors not dropping, it is evident that the majority are happy with G-Sync.

If I am truthful, seeing how G-Sync has changed my gaming experience for the better, I hope they stick with it for eternity (or at least till the next best thing).
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Yep, if you see gsync monitors getting sold at similar prices to free sync it means the market is rejecting gsync. That hasn't happened yet, people, are willing to pay a premium for gsync. If the market changes then either nvidia will have to in orate more improvements or they will eventually drop gsync support in favor of adaptive sync, if and only if adaptive sync quality has caught up.
 
They will have to at some point, you can't ignore an open standard such as adaptive sync. Freesync is just AMD's marketing term for adaptive sync.

Gsync has been out for over a year longer than freesync/adaptive sync and as expected there is already more choice of freesync monitors by various brands as well as a good variety of panels that are significantly cheaper than the gsync equivalent monitors (even the pre-order prices of the freesync monitors were far cheaper)

Like I said before, gsync will remain, however, it will become a very niche market just like nvidia's 3d stuff etc. imo. I imagine once nvidia have GPU's with the required hardware to work with adaptive sync, they will announce support, afaik, none of their gpu's could work with adaptive sync even if they wanted too.

no control over quality and it will reflect more badly on AMD's FreeSync than actual monitors.
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Aside from the pixel response overdrive not working at launch (which was fixed long ago by AMD and the monitor manufacturers), there are no problems with freesync and both perform exactly the same regarding the smoothness etc. as posted in tftcentral's thorough test.

The only real world difference between free and g sync currently is that gsync has the better range (although this isn't down to freesync but the scaler that the monitor manufacturers use) and can allow a potential overclock higher than the freesync equivalent (although going by acer's 34" 100HZ gsync screen, that isn't even guaranteed and if you do use the 100HZ, you apparently void your warranty...also people are/were saying that they were getting a buzzing/coilwhine noise as well as frame skipping....) and whilst some people might be happy with just having one display connection, many people want to use their monitor with more than just their pc, which freesync monitors offer since they have a scaler, although iirc, gsync 2 will offer more connection ports but no word on when any of those are due and they will probably cost even more....

If anything, you are more likely to have problems with gsync monitors than most of the freesync monitors considering the majority of gsync screens are by asus and acer who have terrible QC and CS. It will be interesting to see if dell's upcoming gsync monitor is just a one of....


Also, regarding that toms hardware article, it is a load of ****, hardly a fair test comparing a 30-144hz sync range to a 35-90 range is it now? If they wanted it to be non-bias, they should have chosen the TN panels so it would have been 40-144hz vs 30-144hz.

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Heck considering someone has done some driver mod to increases the freesync range, I wouldn't be surprised if someone enables adaptive sync to work with future nvidia GPU's assuming they have the hardware to support it.......
 
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It all depends on the users. We can always influence companies by not buying or supporting their lock in standard. Simple.
Just a month or so ago I postulated on these forums about how you guys are being crapped on by this dual standard situation. Yet all I got was some weird 'looks' and comments on how I am talking bull and if you have g-sync and nvidia craps out with their next card, you still have good monitor, but without g-sync.
And then you have some self acclaimed 'impartial' people, who praise g-sync, regardless of the fact that there is cheaper free standard which does essentially the same. Because of those people nvidia will continue selling locked standard, and will never support freesync.
So here we go. we have someone who is being shafted by this standard split.
At least dicehunter did not pay extra for g-sync module. but still.
 
D.P. said:
Free sync is AMD's proprietary solution for adapTive sync so nvidia will never support free sync. Nvidia already support adaptive sync in laptops because that was the industry standard. For desktop monitors it doesn't really make sense to support adaptive sync because Gsync is simply the better technology and nvidia have more control over user experience, eliminating the problem with the adaptive sync monitors poor refresh r age on certain monitors amongst other well known problems.


If adaptive sync catches up in quality then we might see nvidia reconsider.

As for price differences that is pretty much down to market differences. As the article on Toms Hardware showed, not only did most people prefer Gsync but most people said they would pay up to $200 extra to get a synced monitor. So monitor manufactured are sellin gsync monitos at market rates, and nvidia get a small financial bonus with their module. If things got more competitive the price difference would disappear, the nvidia module is barely any more expensive to produce that an adaptive sync controller/scaler of similar quality and equivalent gsync monitor tuning.


The situation is t ideal for consumers but the technology is too young to have a market lead.
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Any Freesync compatible monitor will works with any gpu that supports Adaptive sync so Nvidia only has to support Adaptive Sync. Freesync is just AMD's name for their own software for their GPU's to enable Adaptive Sync.

Nvidia are only distancing themselves from Adaptive sync to keep their proprietary G-sync module alive and lock people in to their gpu's. Intel will support Adaptive sync too so there is no way the tech will die but G-sync may after a while.
Unless Nvidia have some clause prohibiting Adaptive sync in the same monitor as G-sync I can foresee Adaptive sync being supported in every monitor eventually since it is so cheap to implement. There are already monitors coming with Freesync that are sub-£150.
 
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As far as I know G-Sync is the better technology and Nvidia has the market share to do whatever they want.
Once you buy a G-Sync monitor you'll always be more inclined to buy Nvidia, so just talking business strategy, they won't adopt another standard unless forced to do it.
 
andybird123 said:
You only have to take one look at the pricing of things like the Asus 21:9 Gsync monitor to see that the cost of the Gsync module itself probably has little bearing on the pricing of the monitors
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Well, comparing Acer 21:9 FreeSync to G-Sync is around a £110 difference, and since both are legally 60Hz, I'd imagine that's the only reason the prices are so different.

Comparing non-sync to FreeSync to G-Sync is often a £150 difference from one end to the other - Which is where the notion of a £150 G-Sync premium comes from.
 
Joe! said:
Well, comparing Acer 21:9 FreeSync to G-Sync is around a £110 difference, and since both are legally 60Hz, I'd imagine that's the only reason the prices are so different.

Comparing non-sync to FreeSync to G-Sync is often a £150 difference from one end to the other - Which is where the notion of a £150 G-Sync premium comes from.
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The gsync monitor is more expensive than the freeing because people are willing to pay more for it, nothing more, nothing less. The hardware cost differences are absolutely minimal if you to actually compare equal quality scalers and equal quality tuning.
 
D.P. said:
Free sync is AMD's proprietary solution for adapTive sync so nvidia will never support free sync. Nvidia already support adaptive sync in laptops because that was the industry standard. For desktop monitors it doesn't really make sense to support adaptive sync because Gsync is simply the better technology and nvidia have more control over user experience, eliminating the problem with the adaptive sync monitors poor refresh r age on certain monitors amongst other well known problems.


If adaptive sync catches up in quality then we might see nvidia reconsider.

As for price differences that is pretty much down to market differences. As the article on Toms Hardware showed, not only did most people prefer Gsync but most people said they would pay up to $200 extra to get a synced monitor. So monitor manufactured are sellin gsync monitos at market rates, and nvidia get a small financial bonus with their module. If things got more competitive the price difference would disappear, the nvidia module is barely any more expensive to produce that an adaptive sync controller/scaler of similar quality and equivalent gsync monitor tuning.


The situation is t ideal for consumers but the technology is too young to have a market lead.
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Am interested in what other problems?

Has for Nvidia supporting Adaptive-Sync I would like to hope so in the future. We all win it gives the end user much better range of monitors to choose from.
 
Oh I don't know. I can imagine Nvidia introducing it if Freesync takes off and hits Gsync sales. They will probably think that if they did introduce it, then they could market their cards at Freesync owners as well as Gsync. AMD of course, would not have that same channel....
Besides when Intel start using it, Freesync may well be the very best choice....
 
Can I just confirm something here.

From what I'm reading in this thread I'm coming to the conclusion that even though this monitor is being promoted as a 100 hz monitor the manufacturer is saying if you use it as such you lose the warranty if there is a problem, Is that right?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-089-AC&groupid=17&catid=948
And if so what about the 75hz free-sync model?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-090-AC&groupid=17&catid=948

If not these what are you guy's talking about please.
 
Gibbo has confirmed that running the monitor at 100hz does not affect warranty. Having posted that, any problems and it will be OCUK that need to sort it out. I always buy everything on credit card now anyway because of the extra level of protection that gives.
 
I suspect not, Nvidia will continue to push VESA to only accept a-sync as an option in the DP standard. It is confirmed that DP 1.4 will not support a-sync as standard but an option. So expect G-Sync to continue to cost a lot more than Freesync for the long term.
 
llamadal said:
Gsync is miles better, so don't see then backing something else.
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Please elaborate.

Would be pretty interesting if they did support the open standard, although as mentioned clearly Nvidia A) Make Money from it B) Lock people into their propriety standard meaning they are more likely to buy another one of their cards.
 
Nvidia really don't want to do this as they would make less money. Their current g-sync locks it's customers into buying their graphics cards for the life of the monitor and vice versa with monitors to gfx cards. Think how often you upgrade a monitor too, it's probably up to about 5 years if they last, that's around 4 or 5 generations of cards they have locked you into their product.
 
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