Will the Mac end up becoming un-cool?

Features? Compatability? Performance?

When I said usability, ease of use was possibly more apt.

Well they all come under usability for me;) If I wan't to render up a scene, and I'm using a low performance laptop, then it isn't very usable.

Apple do offer high performance products at a high price, i.e. mac pro but it uses server grade components and so can't really be compared against a similar performance but much cheaper i7 windows machine.

I'd really like to see an apple desktop using standard kit which can be directly compared to say an i5 760 with 4gb of ram, and a current gen graphics option, for a similar price. But I guess that would price out their mac pros... Would be a bit of a killer though. iMac is a well priced bit of kit though.
 
Providing that is you have a fetish for the colour "grey" and like graph paper backgrounds. :eek:

I'm not sure what you mean by "graph paper backgrounds". I agree there is a lot of grey but look at the design of the icons and the interaction with the dock, they really are very good quality. I personally do like the simple grey menu bar styles, the transparency on windows does get a bit meh after a while.

Its all about taste I guess. We will never agree as peoples tastes in what constitutes a good design will always differ.
 
What's the difference between right-clicking My Computer and clicking "About this Mac"?

Seriously, what is the freaking difference, what do you find so hard about right-clicking?

As I pointed out in my previous post it's nothing to do with me. It's to do with your average user who isn't as tech savvy.

I bet if you did a poll of how many people knew where to find the specs on their PC, they couldn't tell you. Yes you have to click on 'My Computer', but that icon isn't always on the desktop. Then you click on properties, which is on every right click menu, so again it's not particularly obvious.

On a Mac it pretty much tells you were the specs of your computer are in neon letters. It's just one of the reasons that highlights how OSX can be quite simple for people to use and understand where as Windows is quite antiquated and requires knowledge.

Again, this is wildly off topic and nothing to do with what the discussion is about.
 
This thread isn't about a phone ;)

no but Apple's Design is key to the brand being perceived as "cool"

start knocking out beige boxes for £1600 and their popularity will drop and they will no longer be cool and just be laughed at

The apple popularity is the product of clever marketing, pricing them at a certain price point to make them exclusive, excellent and desirable design, and excellent useability.

If apple start losing their current core values they will no longer be cool.
 
This is true, almost every Mac user actually runs Win 7, heck, Mac released software allowing you to dual boot between OS X and Win 7 because they know it would increase sales and the only thing they have over windows is a shiny aluminium case. :rolleyes:

but its that shiny aluminium case that makes it desirable. If it didnt have that it wouldnt be just another beige box.

What's the difference between right-clicking My Computer and clicking "About this Mac"?

Seriously, what is the freaking difference, what do you find so hard about right-clicking?

Its not just about how easy it is to find out the spec of your PC.

Its about how intuitive the product is to use. Yes you can learn to use a PC, most of the people on these forums have. Its also about ease of use out of the box. Macs dont have all the bloat that Dell / Toshiba / Acert etc.. install on their laptops. It has software like ilife 09 which enables real time HD video editing on hardware that would cause PC laptops to fall over if they tried to edit real time HD video.

Its about little things like how easy it is to install programmes. Just dragging and dropping the .dmg file onto the applications shortcut on the desktop.

And you know what really makes apple products easy to use ? The genius bar. People new to mac can get themselves on a course on how to use all the products in ilife 09 properly, or just get themselves familiarised in OSX. Yes you can arrange to go on a college course or whatever to learn how to use windows. But its the convenience of having the courses available from the same shop they bought the product from that consumers like.
 
Switching profile:

OSX: Top right click username, select another user, enter password, loads.
PC: Start button, Switch user, screen goes black, back at welcome screen, enter password for different user, loads.

Turn off wireless:

OSX: Top bar, click airport, click off.
PC: start, control panel, network sharing center, right click, disable device.

You catch the drift. A PC feels unintuitive and laboured. On Mac there is often one way to do things. On Windows there are many, and they all take too long!

macs are for lazy kids

pcs are a geeks best mate
 
The thing that annoys me about Apple is that aside from the OS, all of the products are inferior in everything other than design and maybe usability, around double the price of the equivalent, yet they still sell. The brand counts for a lot, so they'll have to be very careful IMO.

On another note, I can't recall the last time I had issues with windows crashing or clogging up. Maybe Windows 98 illegal operations or Windows ME?

Whilst I see where you're coming from it's not quite correct. Yes some Apple products are over priced for what they are, but then again compared to similar products some arent (and some even look positively bargainous(!?)).

You can't realy compare a 15" MBP to a £500 Acer laptop, they are leagues apart in terms of build quality, however compare the same MBP to a high end business Dell or Vaio and they all appear about the same price.

The 27" iMac is currently almost cheaper than a comparable windows machine (27" screen and decent case as well as same internal parts) and compared to the VAIO all in ones the 20" and old 24" ones weren't exactly expensive either.

The iPhone is only a little more expensive than comparable smartphones (although the iPhone 4 has increased the gap), it's just the contracts that still rip you off. iPod nanos aren't much more than a similar sized Walkman. Yes there is a slight premium but not much.

Now the 13" MBP (and standard MB) seem like bargains at the moment, yes their specs aren't quite as good as the competition but they are usually cheaper. Take the Z series as mentioned earlier, comparableish product. That starts at over £1000 with an average spec being around £1600 (remember this is still a 13" screened machine). I recently had a play on Sonys site and went all out on the Z-Series and managed to spec a £4.5k version (Yes £4500 for a 13" laptop!), makes the macbooks seem cheap in comparison (obviously the specs were severely better than the MBP).

Apple still have this allure of being "expensive", while this is partly correct it's also not. The reason they are expensive is because they still insist on pretty much only making high end gear. Most other companies have watered down their products and created bargain basement products, whilst still selling the expensive stuff too (some, like Acer just do the bargain basement). This IMO is why Apple are still seem as "cool", because they only sell the more expensive kit. As long as they live by this model and don't start dumbing down their products then they should be fine. Personally though I think the Apple brand is becoming less cool at the moment because we are starting to reach saturation point, that, along with the "i'm better than you" attitude of certain mac/apple users is what is going to cause a problem in the future.

EDIT: A bit like Bang & Olfusun (or however you spell them) and Aston Martin. They may not be the best products but because they are stupidly expensive they are seen as "cool" because you can't just buy a cheap product from them.

Having said that it's funny walking into a uni library and seeing half a dozen people sat round a table typing on identical laptops, I always wondered how they knew which one was theres. Either way I'll be sticking with something that I can identify as mine... :p
 
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The apple popularity is the product of clever marketing, pricing them at a certain price point to make them exclusive, excellent and desirable design, and excellent useability.

If apple start losing their current core values they will no longer be cool.

I do hate to use a car analogy but look how BMW's brand image was damaged and still is to a certain extent by the type of people who drive them.

You now have Mac's being bought and touted around by Chavs - I can't see this doing much for the Mac image.
 
I don't think it will make any difference. Unless it becomes a cult symbol as Burberry did. Which I don't see happening as you can't really buy knock off Apple products...
 
I don't think Mac is Cooler than Windows or Windows cooler than Mac. It's not about being Cool or UN-Cool. It's about what you use it for and what suits and tailors you better.

We can post here all day arguing which has the better UI and which has the better Finder / Explorer.

I prefer most things on OSX but I also prefer some things that Windows 7 has like the quick-maximise and windows-split-screen feature and a few more. I had been using Windows for over 10 years, decided to buy a MacBook and then realised how much better OSX is. I've used it for over 4 years now and in my personal opinion, it's frickin awesome.

I can still go back to using Windows 7 and wouldn't have a problem. But as a total package, OSX wins on nearly all levels. Spotlight for example, it's just impossible to compare between Windows Search. It's just laughable really. I don't use Safari as Google Chrome is awesome. Mail, Calendar and Address book are nice little apps. They are not bloaty, they are snappy little apps. And if you use a Mobile iOS device, like iPhone or iPad, it just works perfectly well together. iLife is great, Windows Live is not good. iWork is terrible, Office is fantastic.

The Dock compared to the Task Bar. Yes, Windows 7 have improved it and yes it is quite nice. The Dock is great but I wouldn't say it is "better" than the Task Bar.

I just think that if you are able to spend a month getting used to OSX, you won't go back to Windows.

This is all my opinion and people will of course disagree. Let's get back on topic.

The bottom line is, I don't care if something is cool and I don't class the "Mac" brand as Cool nor do I think the Windows brand is "UN-Cool".
 
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Surely Apple are going that way already..

The iPhone for example, no longer cool, just generic... everyone and their mum has one.

Surely coolness is linked to exclusivity, as is often the case with most other products/services etc..
 
Surely Apple are going that way already..

The iPhone for example, no longer cool, just generic... everyone and their mum has one.

Surely coolness is linked to exclusivity, as is often the case with most other products/services etc..

Exactly...

Like I went to the rugby at the weekend. At half-time, my brother pulled out his iPhone, as did his girlfiend, as did my Mum and Dad, as did about twenty other people around me. I felt embarrassed to get mine out, as it's like the iPhone geek club. That's why it can start to have an uncool image to it.
 
Surely Apple are going that way already..

The iPhone for example, no longer cool, just generic... everyone and their mum has one.

I still can't think of a single other "cool" phone. The closest you'll get is probably something like the Galaxy S or the HTC Desire, or something, but even then you're limited to people who actually care about fancy mobile phones. Everyone knows about the iPhone and everyone knows it's cool.

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Surely coolness is linked to exclusivity, as is often the case with most other products/services etc..

I don't think coolness is purely down to exclusivity. I think coolness is a very multi-faceted thing, and I'd struggle to pin it down, but I certainly think there's more to it than just that.
 
a sample of 1 machine is not very scientific,

how do you know you dont have a virus? once a root kit is in you will never know its there...

I have visited 100's of home users over the past 2 years, the only mac calls I ever get are because

1) they dropped it
2) someone else dropped it
3) its new and they are scred to take it out the box
4) they stole it and dont know the login password (only once for that)

several 'retarded' users have upgraded to mac's the only time the needed help was to open the box and set up their email...

Don't get me wrong I hate mac's.... I dont want stuff jsut working...

They don't go wrong as often because all the hardware is controlled by APPLE unlike PCs which are not made by Microsoft so your arguement is not really valid.

Should MS decide to make their software only run on MS approved MS built hardware there would be a lot less problems.

Think how many compatability software has to be written into windows compared to OSx (whats the range of harware variants that OSX works on perhaps 50?) Compare that to the vitrually infinite PC setups that Windows has to deal with.

Also you won't get calls from MAC users who have decided to change the PS and GFX card and MB either.
 
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I use them because they're good, not because they're cool.

It won't bother me if they become less trendy, just as it didn't bother me when they started to get more so a few years back.
 
I don't think Mac is Cooler than Windows or Windows cooler than Mac. It's not about being Cool or UN-Cool. It's about what you use it for and what suits and tailors you better.

We can post here all day arguing which has the better UI and which has the better Finder / Explorer.

I prefer most things on OSX but I also prefer some things that Windows 7 has like the quick-maximise and windows-split-screen feature and a few more. I had been using Windows for over 10 years, decided to buy a MacBook and then realised how much better OSX is. I've used it for over 4 years now and in my personal opinion, it's frickin awesome.

I can still go back to using Windows 7 and wouldn't have a problem. But as a total package, OSX wins on nearly all levels. Spotlight for example, it's just impossible to compare between Windows Search. It's just laughable really. I don't use Safari as Google Chrome is awesome. Mail, Calendar and Address book are nice little apps. They are not bloaty, they are snappy little apps. And if you use a Mobile iOS device, like iPhone or iPad, it just works perfectly well together. iLife is great, Windows Live is not good. iWork is terrible, Office is fantastic.

The Dock compared to the Task Bar. Yes, Windows 7 have improved it and yes it is quite nice. The Dock is great but I wouldn't say it is "better" than the Task Bar.

I just think that if you are able to spend a month getting used to OSX, you won't go back to Windows.

This is all my opinion and people will of course disagree. Let's get back on topic.

The bottom line is, I don't care if something is cool and I don't class the "Mac" brand as Cool nor do I think the Windows brand is "UN-Cool".

And I would reply that like you yourself admit you haven't been a Windows user for some four years now. You might have dabbled with W7 but your posts suggest you haven't used it in anger. Search on W7 is better than Spotlight - imo as one who has both machines and to use words like "frickin awesome" to describe an OS smacks of lacking a certain maturity don't you think? However, this post is about the brand becoming diluted by the very fact that it is fast losing it's exclusivity. I have just been reading a report albeit from a somewhat biased source that states nearly 70% of US freshman are coming to college sporting MacBooks this fall?

I can see the day coming when it will be cooler to have a Medion Laptop. :eek:
 
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