Will the rog swift get a free sync update?

andybird123 said:
Is 3D on all monitors? No, in fact there aren't any 3D non-3Dvision monitors currently on sale, so when looking at a gsync monitor and it also has 3d, that is an additional feature, I'm not saying it is one that is "worth" paying extra for, but it is an example of a additional feature that you get when buying (most) gsync monitors
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Will you please stop with 3D and features that are on other monitors. They are not features related in any way to Gsync. For example if you took Gsync off the rog swift it would still have 3D and ULMB. And you know damn well that's not what we were talking about when we started discussing killer features Gsync 2.0 would bring.

And for the record, point out where I said 3D vision was on all monitors?

I don't know if it's a Nvidia Bias or what, but, you paint everything in the worst light for Freesync and glowing terms for Gsync.

You trivialise the cost of the Gsync module. Scaler+Fpga chip+custom PCB from third party (Nvidia) Will never be the same price as standard PCB + scaler from manufacturer. I don't know how you can say that the cost of raw materials will be the same.

Intel don't aim at gamers? Really? I am sure they do. And why wouldn't they use the fact that their intergrated GPU's can connect to the new adaptive sync monitors to help sell more chips.

On every forum, apart from the fanboy crap, people keep mentioning waiting for freesync monitors. Like it or not there is a definite buzz about the upcoming monitors. Way more than there ever was about Gsync.


Think of it this way, even if only owners of 290's are considering the monitor, it's still a huge market.
 
Rroff said:
Like spoffle you've entirely missed the point of my gsync 2.0 comment.
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Well, Sorry, I couldn't care less as I wasn't responding to your comment at all, I was responding to Bru who speculated on what a new killer feature of the next version of Gsync might be.

So you can take your missed point up with Spoffle.
 
melmac said:
Will you please stop with 3D and features that are on other monitors. They are not features related in any way to Gsync. For example if you took Gsync off the rog swift it would still have 3D and ULMB. And you know damn well that's not what we were talking about when we started discussing killer features Gsync 2.0 would bring.

And for the record, point out where I said 3D vision was on all monitors?

I don't know if it's a Nvidia Bias or what, but, you paint everything in the worst light for Freesync and glowing terms for Gsync.

You trivialise the cost of the Gsync module. Scaler+Fpga chip+custom PCB from third party (Nvidia) Will never be the same price as standard PCB + scaler from manufacturer. I don't know how you can say that the cost of raw materials will be the same.

Intel don't aim at gamers? Really? I am sure they do. And why wouldn't they use the fact that their intergrated GPU's can connect to the new adaptive sync monitors to help sell more chips.

On every forum, apart from the fanboy crap, people keep mentioning waiting for freesync monitors. Like it or not there is a definite buzz about the upcoming monitors. Way more than there ever was about Gsync.


Think of it this way, even if only owners of 290's are considering the monitor, it's still a huge market.
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I did not say you said 3dvision was on all monitors. You were talking about generic 3D monitors and I pointed out that there arent any currently on sale.

The FPGA *IS* the scaler. Yes nvidia charge more for a gsync module, that is the price, I am talking about cost. The price can be changed, the cost cannot.
If you remove gsync from thw swift it would be a normal monitor and would not have 3D or ulmb and wouldnt be able to run at 120/144hz. There arent any scalers that officially support >60hz at 1440, so all of these things are specific to a gsync 1440 monitor.

Your perception is obviously different to mine, yes I see a few people waiting for freesync, but there was also a lots of interest in gsync, the swift thread was dozens of pages long of people wanting to know when they could buy it.

Yes, if ALL people with 290's want freesync, then it is a big market... but what proportion of 290 owners are actually going to buy a freesync monitor? My comments havent so much been that freesync will fail, but in response to people saying that "GSYNC IS DEAD OMGZ11!!", when gsync is currently a much larger market. If you think that freesync can succeed on 290 owners alone then how can gsync fail on 3 generations of nvidia card?

Again, I am not saying freesync will fail, what i am saying is that freesync will not be added to ALL monitors by default, and it will not automatically kill off gsync unless it is added to most monitors and say intel support it... People are talking like these two things are definite, but there is no evidence to say that is the case.

When/If intel support freesync, i will stop replying to people who claim it is definitely going to happen by pointing out intel have not said that yet.

You are misreading my posts in blind defence of freesync. I am not talking in absolutes, i am talking what ifs in response to people talking in absolutes about rumours of freesync.
 
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I cant respond to your post. You are still waffling on about ULMB and 3D been features of GSync. They aren't but you are never going to admit that, even though i pointed out that other monitors have the same features without gsync and even though you have to turn off gsync for the other to work. Lol.

Then accuse me of blindly defending Freesync when all I have done is point out the extreme negativity you have. Every thread on Freesync you have knocked it. You say you don't want it to fail but the tone of your posts say otherwise.

So I will let you have the last word and leave you to your "worst possible scenario" for adaptive sync.
 
What other monitors for sale now have 3D?
I can only find nvidia ones.

It is an added feature available on gsync monitors not currently available on freesync monitors. 3D and ULMB are both features of the scaler in a monitor, the gsync scaler (fpga) has these features, other non-sync features could easily be added to an fpga that cant be easily added to an ASIC without considerable design and tooling costs.

I'm not knocking it, i havent tried it. All i've done is respond to;

Monitors will have firmware upgrades "confirmed"
Freesync will be in all monitors by default
Everyone will support freesync
Gsync is dead

All 4 of these statements are rumours. Even AMD say that it is not possible that all monitors will have it.
Gsync currently has a larger potential market, so saying it is automatically dead is a touch premature.
 
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Threepwood said:
Erm, look at this page. Every monitor there without G-sync does 3D.

So, ocuk sell 12 none G-sync monitors that do 3D.
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No, only the 3Dvision monitors, they wont do 3D with an AMD card. I didnt say all 3D monitors are gsync, i said the only PC 3D monitors i can find are 3D vision.

Not all of the monitors on that page support 3D, the eizo foris doesnt for example

I said that 3D was another extra feature that the gsync scaler supports that is not currently available on generic or freesync monitors currently on sale.
 
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Except 3D can be used with any stereo 3D AMD video card, with any 120Hz+ monitor.

All you need is a pair of Xpand Youniversal 3D glasses and 3DTV emitter kit.
 
Threepwood said:
Except 3D can be used with any stereo 3D AMD video card, with any 120Hz+ monitor.

All you need is a pair of Xpand Youniversal 3D glasses and 3DTV emitter kit.
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It's not all that simple (Not that what you're suggesting is simple)

I used AMD GPU's with 3D, I liked it, but AMD had nothing to do with it. I used a Samsung 700D, their glasses, their emitter, Tridef software.
 
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Is there any other model details on the "3DTV emitter kit"
The only one i can find says it only works with DLP

I'm not sure it is directly comparable. With AMD i have to buy 3-4 different products from different places and cobble them together. The tridef website list of games hasnt been udated in quite some time so not sure they are even releasing new profiles still. The xpand website says they only work with DX9 and 10 games.

Which is all still tangential to the point i was making.
None of those monitors are being sold as 3D Ready. Even the samsung monitors that included the software and glasses are no longer available.
Monitor makers themselves have ditched support for 3D.
 
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Martini1991 said:
It's not all that simple (Not that what you're suggesting is simple)

I used AMD GPU's with 3D, I liked it, but AMD had nothing to do with it. I used a Samsung 700D, their glasses, their emitter, Tridef software.
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But you accept there are none G-sync 3D monitors for sale that will do 3D with an AMD card?

I'm not being pedantic, they will all do it with the correct equipment.
 
Just looks like another mess about, vastly inferior to the ease of Nvidia 3D Vision.

And none of those monitors on sale are generic 3D.
Buy one of those monitors and it won't just work with your AMD card. It has a transmitter and glasses, but it doesn't work.

Also, from a quick look, there aren't any of those monitors on the compatibility list for the thing you've suggested.
 
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So it is a little more effort to set up.

Exactly how does this negate the fact that 3D with any stereo 3D AMD card will do 3D through any 120+hz monitor?

If it was not for Nvidia's monopolistic influence in the 3D monitor market then.... Aw **** it, lets not go there; Again.
 
Threepwood said:
So it is a little more effort to set up.

Exactly how does this negate the fact that 3D with any stereo 3D AMD card will do 3D through any 120+hz monitor?

If it was not for Nvidia's monopolistic influence in the 3D monitor market then.... Aw **** it, lets not go there; Again.
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None of the monitors on sale at OCUK are listed in the compatibility for that hack job stuff you've suggested (From a quick glance)

And you don't need 3D Vision to use 3D on an Nvidia card either (Although SBS's not as good, but that's all you get with Tridef and Nvidia). Funnily enough, you can use 3D Vision on like nigh on every monitor in existence (Anaglyph is in the Drivers and works flawlessly)

Also, that's not actually the point Andy's making. There's no generic 3D monitors on sale. Not that you can't get a generic 120/144HZ monitor to hack job to run an inferior solution with an AMD card. I bet you still need Tridef after you've smashed money into a transmitter and glasses too. Is there any 3D monitors on OCUK that will just work with AMD? No. Not like there used to be, the Samsung 700D etc. They're generic 3D which did just work with AMD (Although still needed Tridef)
 
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Your deleted line speaks EXACTLY to the point I was making... nvidia have the market share to make things work, AMD dont

This doesnt mean freesync is doomed, but it shows an example of where AMD and monitor makers have released competing solutions, 3dvision is still here as a complete package

Does not mean freesync is doomed, but it also shows that gsync is unlikely to be "dead" just because a cheaper alternative exists
 
I think everyone just needs to agree to disagree until we can actually get our hands on a working Freesync setup to see how it compares to Gsync.
 
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