Will You Buy Windows 7???

Kenai · 15 Jul 2009 at 11:54

Jakstaar2007 said:
I find it silly how Mozilla and Opera are moaning about Windows choosing IE and WMP over any other browswer/media player. It is WINDOWS Internet Explorer and WINDOWS Media Player, with WINDOWS 7.

Or am i missing something here?

They aren't complaining that Windows 'choose' IE, they're complaining that they don't get a fair look in because everyone already has a competiting product.

Phinor · 15 Jul 2009 at 11:56

SimonTW said:
Because the EU sees IE/WMP as separate products to the Windows OS. Therefore offering them bundled with the OS goes against competition laws.

An example could be that a company which builds say 50% of all new homes, fills those homes with all their own furniture. If people weren't bothered about the look of their furniture (and most aren't bothered about their browser) then people would never go and buy different furniture from companies who only make furniture.

Where and especially how do you draw the line? What about those partitioning tool companies? Surely MS needs to remove their fdisk or whatever tool they use nowadays during the install to partition your hard drive. Or does it become an issue only when enough money goes towards EU for them to care?

stoofa · 15 Jul 2009 at 11:58

Tuvoc said:
It is Microsoft who are retarded. They are trying to make a political point here against the EU, and inconveniencing consumers in the process.

No it is not.
Read the full reason why MS are not including a browser in the OS.
Not bundling IE is the only safe way Microsoft can proceed in the EU - they cannot risk fines at the same kind of level they had last time.

The EU will not clarify exactly what it is MS can and cannot do so they MS have taken it upon themselves to do the only safe thing.

This is not MS's doing.

toString · 15 Jul 2009 at 11:58

i really wanted to buy from the msn store because you could get a download and a hard copy, the wait is a killer

_Jimlad_ · 15 Jul 2009 at 11:59

mrk said:
I am tempted by this idea as I will have enough after payday for one BUT I want to know which SSD is best to go for really as I need a fairly large one BUT needs to be fast too!

I guess I could get a smaller SSD and use my then redundant Vista C drive to install applications on .

well it will cost you an arm and a leg if you want a large drive. what most people are doing is getting a 32gig, 64gig or 128gig SSD for the os install and programs then 1TB standard sata drive for music and pictures. i will no doubt start a thread nearer the time, prices are falling all the time.

KingAdora said:
i really wanted to buy from the msn store because you could get a download and a hard copy, the wait is a killer

and 15% off with quidco

Streeteh · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:01

At the end of the day the EU claims to have made the decision in the users' interest. I do not feel like the decision has benefitted me in any way, in fact quite the opposite. True i never use IE or windows media player, first thing i do on any install is download firefox and BSPlayer, but the thing is i use IE to download them in the first place.

clv101 · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:01

mrk said:
I am tempted by this idea as I will have enough after payday for one BUT I want to know which SSD is best to go for really as I need a fairly large one BUT needs to be fast too!

I guess I could get a smaller SSD and use my then redundant Vista C drive to install applications on .

I'm likely to buy the best 64GB SSD for a boot and application drive in Oct. I'm expecting that adding Windows 7 and an SSD will make my 2.5 year old Vista based E4300 C2D overclocked to 3.2GHz feel like a pretty modern machine again!

craptakular · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:01

Phinor said:
Why should any OS have a calculator? Or a simple word processing software? Why should OS include anything but the OS itself? Because it's convenient and adds value to the product. I have no idea how EU came to the conclusion it did but it has to be in the top 10 of most idiotic decisions ever made. It's a first but in this case I'm 100% on Microsoft's side. Who ever thought an OS is not allowed to include something useful like a Media player or an Internet browser is a complete idiot and it really smells like a paid job.

in the sense of the word os, it shouldnt have anything. I agreethat it is annoying

Talon · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:02

Just ordered up 2 copies of Home Premium

Good price !

cotton_flex · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:02

I have pre ordered this but whatever happened to the advice of 'always wait for SP1'?

Good pricing aside, is it that good? i.e. stable, efficient, good driver support on the onset?

clv101 · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:03

Streeteh said:
At the end of the day the EU claims to have made the decision in the users' interest. I do not feel like the decision has benefitted me in any way, in fact quite the opposite. True i never use IE or windows media player, first thing i do on any install is download firefox and BSPlayer, but the thing is i use IE to download them in the first place.

You're missing the bigger picture. Competition is good for the consumer. MS bundling applications with the operating system gives them an unfair advantage in the application field.

diverse180 · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:05

Looks like I can rest easy now, even though I got an out of stock/unavailable warning email after I made the order.

The manager of the site I ordered from has confirmed that if you got this email after ordering you WILL be getting a copy.

HP disc for £44.99 can't be bad

_Jimlad_ · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:07

cotton_flex said:
I have pre ordered this but whatever happened to the advice of 'always wait for SP1'?

Good pricing aside, is it that good? i.e. stable, efficient, good driver support on the onset?

windows 7 beta's have been so solid and so good, built on all they leaned from VISTA so in away its solid (fingers crossed) SP1 is gonna be a good 18 - 24 months away

SimonTW · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:08

Phinor said:
Where and especially how do you draw the line? What about those partitioning tool companies? Surely MS needs to remove their fdisk or whatever tool they use nowadays during the install to partition your hard drive. Or does it become an issue only when enough money goes towards EU for them to care?

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. The line is only drawn as far as the money can push it.

Just to add, I don't agree with the EU's ruling, I was just attempting to explain their (very flawed) logic!

Steve09 · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:10

Do you think the Professional version is worth the extra £40 for the XP virtual computer? (I won't use the other couple of features Pro has over HP)

Also, any ideas on what version University students will get from MSDNAA?

lcg · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:11

cotton_flex said:
I have pre ordered this but whatever happened to the advice of 'always wait for SP1'?

Good pricing aside, is it that good? i.e. stable, efficient, good driver support on the onset?

Definitely. From my experience using Windows 7 Beta builds, Windows 7 is a very stable OS; much better than Vista. I'm sure there won't be any large driver availability problems, at least not on the scale that Vista experienced on release.

Streeteh · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:11

clv101 said:
You're missing the bigger picture. Competition is good for the consumer. MS bundling applications with the operating system gives them an unfair advantage in the application field.

Maybe so, but then surely bad things could come of it? For example, if everyone HAD to download an internet browser, what's stopping Firefox for example starting to charge for it? It could be argued that the main thing forcing companies to keep browsers free is because everyone has access to IE from the get go.

Also, why is Apple allowed to continue bundling Safari? I don't see any real difference tbh.

Venares · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:12

clv101 said:
You're missing the bigger picture. Competition is good for the consumer. MS bundling applications with the operating system gives them an unfair advantage in the application field.

Thats just crap tbh, so windows has IE, WMP and MediaCenter built in.
Has that stoped me from installing Firefox, MPC or MediaPortal, NO.
There is NOTHING stopping anyone from using a 3rd party browser if they WANT too.
God im so sick of having all this EU sudo PC BS shoved down my throat on a daily basis :mad:

Steve09 said:
Do you think the Professional version is worth the extra £40 for the XP virtual computer? (I won't use the other couple of features Pro has over HP)

Also, any ideas on what version University students will get from MSDNAA?

I cant see why ANYONE would need an XP virtual machine tbh, so no, just buy the Home Version.

TheVoice · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:13

Steve09 said:
Do you think the Professional version is worth the extra £40 for the XP virtual computer? (I won't use the other couple of features Pro has over HP)

Also, any ideas on what version University students will get from MSDNAA?

Depends if you need the XP virtual machine or not. I personally have no need for it whatsoever, there's nothing I use that doesn't run on Vista, and any games that only run in XP won't work on the virtual machine anyway. Considering it's nearly double the price, I don't see the point myself.

photoshop · 15 Jul 2009 at 12:16

Im still on Xp. If the new windows can run my existing apps then i'll bu it. If not then i'll wait