Windows 10 Full Creator Update - Huge Gain

shankly1985 · 19 Oct 2017 at 19:47

O wow, Microsoft! Joke here using Ryzen and VEGA 56

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TNA · 19 Oct 2017 at 19:53

Nice if turns out to be across the board. But somehow I doubt it.

Lets see more reports coming in with more tests

Pants · 19 Oct 2017 at 21:59

Installing now, these look like unheard of gains for an os update which is nice!

Daytrader · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:15

Would like to see results with nvidia gpus.

Westie · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:27

downloading now too..

V F · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:32

How are some games getting big increases with an OS update and how does this compare against Windows 7?

shankly1985 · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:44

V F said:
How are some games getting big increases with an OS update and how does this compare against Windows 7?

Microsoft added a feature in Windows 10 called Game mode, it really didn't help "Well least for me" In this version Microsoft have been talking about making Game mode much better for while now but didn't expect this results.

ljt · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:44

V F said:
How are some games getting big increases with an OS update and how does this compare against Windows 7?

i'm guessing the update has done something to improve CPU usage efficiency. I did a very quick test using some 3Dmark firestrike/timespy tests both prior and post the fall update and the parts that showed the improvement were the physics/cpu tests

So maybe it's allowing games to use the cpu more efficiently resulting in higher fps

V F · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:47

shankly1985 said:
Microsoft added a feature in Windows 10 called Game mode, it really didn't help "Well least for me" In this version Microsoft have been talking about making Game mode much better for while now but didn't expect this results.

Shame this never existed in the XP days?

Rroff · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:54

The Division results seem a bit low - couldn't find their testing section for it from quickly flicking through the video. I get around 80 fps average with the 4820K and GTX1070 with the settings well above high at 1440p.

Daytrader · 19 Oct 2017 at 22:55

V F said:
Shame this never existed in the XP days?

Yeh, i use to use a program called Enditall, to close all windows/programs not needed for gaming, same sort of thing game mode does it seems, and extra stuff obviously.

Phixsator · 19 Oct 2017 at 23:44

Well i can say that there are no gains for me as a nvidia 1080ti user going with the 1709 fall update.. Either something is up with Jokers results or something has been holding that AMD GPU back prior to the update.

Rroff · 19 Oct 2017 at 23:47

Phixsator said:
Well i can say that there are no gains for me as a nvidia 1080ti user going with the 1709 fall update.. Either something is up with Jokers results or something has been holding that AMD GPU back prior to the update.

Wondering if something has been holding it back - the before results look low to me but I don't have a great frame of reference.

opethdisciple · 20 Oct 2017 at 00:05

Well they implemented a new implementation of Game mode in this version.

My question is if it is turned on by default for games.

As far as I can find out is yes, if the game is supported.

Having CNTL+G yet to check whilst in game.

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I see he is seeing gains in DX11 games too so that should* mean these gains are seen on Nvidia GPU's too.

Phixsator · 20 Oct 2017 at 00:23

opethdisciple said:
Well they implemented a new implementation of Game mode in this version.

My question is if it is turned on by default for games.

As far as I can find out is yes, if the game is supported.

Having CNTL+G yet to check whilst in game.

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I see he is seeing gains in DX11 games too so that should* mean these gains are seen on Nvidia GPU's too.

I dont think you will find any gains what so ever. Look at all the previous windows updates with performance improvements in them .. 0 gains..now look at the last and first implementation of game mode.. 0 gain.. The only thing that may have been affected in a positive light has been input delay but the research done is limited and therefor not conclusive enough. What are the chances, when you already have users saying no gains were seen, that MS has actually somehow magically conjured forth 20%ish game performance improvements on average from a single update. To me its clear that it can only be 1 of 2 things.. Either Joker is somehow manufacturing these results to suit his agenda or something is holding that Vega card back before the update, perhaps a OS bug or whatever. For now i'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but i'm skeptical.

~>Dg<~ · 20 Oct 2017 at 00:34

creators update is the biggest joke ive seen in win 10.broke so many things.would choke them personally.

malachi · 20 Oct 2017 at 06:14

~>Dg<~ said:
creators update is the biggest joke ive seen in win 10.broke so many things.would choke them personally.

Happens on all platforms, Mac OSX, Android, iOS. I remember years ago a PS3 update broke compatibility on certain games like Assassins Creed. Impossible to get everything 100% right for everyone.

Ayahuasca · 20 Oct 2017 at 07:33

On console it should be inexcusable with the closed system.

Still don’t have any sympathy for MS, even though they’re dealing with a huge variety of hardware some of the stuff that goes wrong is just extremely basic and should be picked up in testing.

smogsy · 20 Oct 2017 at 07:39

ljt said:
i'm guessing the update has done something to improve CPU usage efficiency. I did a very quick test using some 3Dmark firestrike/timespy tests both prior and post the fall update and the parts that showed the improvement were the physics/cpu tests

So maybe it's allowing games to use the cpu more efficiently resulting in higher fps

Phixsator said:
Well i can say that there are no gains for me as a nvidia 1080ti user going with the 1709 fall update.. Either something is up with Jokers results or something has been holding that AMD GPU back prior to the update.

Rroff said:
Wondering if something has been holding it back - the before results look low to me but I don't have a great frame of reference.

Here my theory
We know game mode was pants in the last update

Most users turned game mode off

He said he tested before an after with game mode on.

Thus making his previous tests have rubbish results in comparison and now it's fixed people who left game mode on are now seeing the performance they should have got before.

So in summary game mode on is the same as game off in the last update.

No perf increase just fixed.

OLDPHART · 20 Oct 2017 at 08:30

If you have just upgraded to win 10 creators latest update and don't use a xbox, in services theres a new one XBOX LIVE NETWORKING SERVICE is running set it to manual and click stop them Disable.

There's 5 xbox services you can only disable 4[set service to manual and click stop them Disable]except Xbox Game Monitoring see below.

How to disable Xbox Game Monitoring-
Go to run enter-regedit hit enter> click each of the following-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>SYSTEM>CurrentControlSet>Services>xbgm then Right-click[Start REG_DWORD] in the right-side pane of the window>Click Modify>Type 4>Click OK,The default is 3.
The Xbox Game Monitoring service will now be disabled, to re-enable simply repeat the steps, but change 4 back to 3.