Windows 10 Pro Anniversary Update tweaked to stop you disabling app promos

Nasher · 3 Aug 2016 at 10:00

They are making it more and more insecure by forcing all this stuff like windows store and "customer experience" BS which is basically just spyware.

I'm an admin of some secure networks and it's going to be a nightmare if we eventually fully switch to windows 10. I can see us going over to Linux TBH.

james.miller · 3 Aug 2016 at 11:38

you can removed windows.old in disk cleanup without the need to take ownernship.

BattFink · 3 Aug 2016 at 12:00

Does anyones machine feel sluggish after the update? Both my desktop & laptop feel really sluggish since they updated

I'm currently in the process of using CCleaner to remove all the MS UWP Apps that have been installed on my machine

I'm getting more & more tempted to replace Windows with a copy of Fedora Linux

Rroff · 3 Aug 2016 at 12:48

BattFink said:
Does anyones machine feel sluggish after the update? Both my desktop & laptop feel really sluggish since they updated

I'm currently in the process of using CCleaner to remove all the MS UWP Apps that have been installed on my machine

I'm getting more & more tempted to replace Windows with a copy of Fedora Linux

Sometimes post update 1-2 background processes will run for upto a few hours doing maintenance/compiling stuff related to the update.

Elevon · 3 Aug 2016 at 13:31

BattFink said:
Does anyones machine feel sluggish after the update? Both my desktop & laptop feel really sluggish since they updated

I'm currently in the process of using CCleaner to remove all the MS UWP Apps that have been installed on my machine

I'm getting more & more tempted to replace Windows with a copy of Fedora Linux

Mine (Desktop gaming PC) feels a bit snappier, I've done a few reboots and had it switched off as well. I did a clean up via my utilities software programs and Windows Disk Cleanup, folders like Windows.~WS are now gone, guides here http://www.thewindowsclub.com/delete-windows-bt-ws-folders-windows-10 , http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2066-windows-old-folder-delete-windows-10-a.html .

My laptop is still upgrading so will be interesting to see how that feels in usage.

opethdisciple · 3 Aug 2016 at 13:50

I found it a bit snappier. Probably just placebo.

Elevon · 3 Aug 2016 at 13:55

opethdisciple said:
I found it a bit snappier. Probably just placebo.

It's little things like clicking on Start menu, File Explorer, all open quicker etc.

Side note: Don't forget new version of Firefox is out if you use that browser ie 48 version.

glenimp617 · 3 Aug 2016 at 14:15

Couple of questions

1. How does this effect the new SKU (Education Pro)

2. Have MS renamed the GPO, as it used to be called "Cloud Content"

3. Will any of this bring back the SCCM bug which failed to run the capture part of the TS if this setting was ENABLED (not disabled)

IT Troll · 3 Aug 2016 at 16:15

Rroff said:
Sometimes post update 1-2 background processes will run for upto a few hours doing maintenance/compiling stuff related to the update.

Yeah, Cortana and other indexing services will be having a good old rummage across your system.

After a couple of hours I got a pop-up saying look at the wonderful photo album we created for you. WTF! That's right, just go ahead, don't bother asking permission or anything...

linktoinsanity · 4 Aug 2016 at 09:24

As well as this the new Anniversary Update also drops rolling back to a previous version of Windows from 30 to 10 days...

I know the fanboys will try and spin this, but how is this in any way good for Microsoft's customers? Those who may have taken advantage of Windows 10 at the last minute may now be tricked into being stuck on Windows 10.

Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/psa-you-only-have-10-days-to-roll-back-windows-10-anniversary-update

I know this won't affect a vast majority of us who either fresh-installed anyway or upgraded months ago, but it is an example of how Microsoft is forcing Windows 10 on people. I actually want the EU (and others) to sue them for some of their rollout practices of Windows 10.

Note for people who think I'm anti-Windows 10, I do like it, but actually understand that some people may not (for compatibility or personal/other reasons).

Elevon · 4 Aug 2016 at 15:13

linktoinsanity said:
As well as this the new Anniversary Update also drops rolling back to a previous version of Windows from 30 to 10 days...

I know the fanboys will try and spin this, but how is this in any way good for Microsoft's customers? Those who may have taken advantage of Windows 10 at the last minute may now be tricked into being stuck on Windows 10.

Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/psa-you-only-have-10-days-to-roll-back-windows-10-anniversary-update

I know this won't affect a vast majority of us who either fresh-installed anyway or upgraded months ago, but it is an example of how Microsoft is forcing Windows 10 on people. I actually want the EU (and others) to sue them for some of their rollout practices of Windows 10.

Note for people who think I'm anti-Windows 10, I do like it, but actually understand that some people may not (for compatibility or personal/other reasons).

I understand what you are saying, but end of the day Microsoft can do what they want with their OS, regardless of what you or I think, at least we have options ie other Operating Systems, good time for beginners to learn Linux

, just as well I've had a Linux PC for over five years.

Having said all that I'm quite happy with Win10 as a PC gamer.

Rroff · 4 Aug 2016 at 16:45

Elevon said:
I understand what you are saying, but end of the day Microsoft can do what they want with their OS, regardless of what you or I think, at least we have options ie other Operating Systems, good time for beginners to learn Linux , just as well I've had a Linux PC for over five years.

Having said all that I'm quite happy with Win10 as a PC gamer.

You say that but for many people they have legacy reasons (software they may have to use etc.) that mean that Windows is the only real choice.

At the end of the day many people are using Windows over the alternatives because they don't want a forced/curated experience and MS going down that route is actually counter productive because in the end there are better alternatives if people are forced to accept that kind of OS experience. Its one thing to make it the default implementation to ensure a quality experience out the box for the average user but another to put obstacles in the way of anyone who doesn't want that.

Elevon · 4 Aug 2016 at 18:23

Rroff said:
You say that but for many people they have legacy reasons (software they may have to use etc.) that mean that Windows is the only real choice.

At the end of the day many people are using Windows over the alternatives because they don't want a forced/curated experience and MS going down that route is actually counter productive because in the end there are better alternatives if people are forced to accept that kind of OS experience. Its one thing to make it the default implementation to ensure a quality experience out the box for the average user but another to put obstacles in the way of anyone who doesn't want that.

You say the word "forced", nobody is forced you can use or buy whatever OS you like, end of the day there are plenty of choices out there, all I see is a lot of bitching and moaning, you don't like OS A fine use OS B, C or D, end of the day there is no perfect OS, remember companies like Microsoft will most of the time do what they want and have the right to change things in their OS, same goes for any company if we are honest here, you and I may not like it but it is what it is.

We can argue right and wrongs all day on aspects of what Microsoft does wrongly or rightly, but that does not change the fact it's their OS and you don't have to use that version of Windows whatever version it is.

I'm not sticking up for Microsoft because yes they have done a lot of bad things that go back decades if we are all honest here.

Rroff · 4 Aug 2016 at 18:29

Sure but given the prevalence and legacy of the Windows ecosystem and the amount of software, etc. that only exists for Windows then no some people can't really use whatever OS they like as it won't do the task they need.

Elevon · 4 Aug 2016 at 18:51

Rroff said:
Sure but given the prevalence and legacy of the Windows ecosystem and the amount of software, etc. that only exists for Windows then no some people can't really use whatever OS they like as it won't do the task they need.

In that case they either have to adapt to the changes or go with a different OS if possible, sure you can complain to the company in question but most times that falls on death ears.

linktoinsanity · 5 Aug 2016 at 14:22

Elevon said:
In that case they either have to adapt to the changes or go with a different OS if possible, sure you can complain to the company in question but most times that falls on death ears.

At the end of the day, Windows is meant to be an Operating System, meaning that it should operate, not make it harder for the end users.

Microsoft should reel themselves in a bit.

Billies Bangers · 7 Aug 2016 at 22:50

The AU went without issue but finding Edge still as slow as ever. Not a patch on FF or Chrome.

Caged · 7 Aug 2016 at 23:03

I feel if you have a specific requirement for the OS not to update underneath you then your IT department should be aware of the different servicing options and enroll into CBB (https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/introduction-to-windows-10-servicing), or even LTSB.

If you need to run old legacy software but for some reason cannot afford the IT staff or licensing costs associated with the different branch options then you need to re-assess your business priorities. If you're a home user and think you need those options then you're wrong.

Elevon · 7 Aug 2016 at 23:29

linktoinsanity said:
At the end of the day, Windows is meant to be an Operating System, meaning that it should operate, not make it harder for the end users.

Microsoft should reel themselves in a bit.

In fairness it does operate, as to what is hard to use?..Well that is down to the user in question, however Windows OS has always been easy to use in general, since Win95 it became child's play, sure people can argue about this or that, but you don't need a degree or rocket science technology, one of the real reasons why Linux is still playing catch up to Windows due to ease of use.

However even Linux is easier to use then decades ago.

I could turn this around and say some users have become lazy or stupid ie change a Start menu or something and they fall to pieces, welcome to the 21st century user level, are we back in caveman times?..Feels like it with some users out there.

Accept no OS is perfect, but Windows hard to use?... Lol no far from it, now if you threw a new learner back on DOS 6.22 then I might agree with you.

Rroff · 7 Aug 2016 at 23:35

Caged said:
I feel if you have a specific requirement for the OS not to update underneath you then your IT department should be aware of the different servicing options and enroll into CBB (https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/introduction-to-windows-10-servicing), or even LTSB.

If you need to run old legacy software but for some reason cannot afford the IT staff or licensing costs associated with the different branch options then you need to re-assess your business priorities. If you're a home user and think you need those options then you're wrong.

What a load of condescending twaddle especially the last bit. It isn't an unreasonable requirement at all to have control over updates.

Interestingly one of their design goals for updates is "must be deployable with minimal impact on users" not doing so well on that front by any metric... maybe time to go back to the drawing board.

(As an aside, critical security updates aside, this tablet I'm on right now hasn't had any other updates since May 2014 and worked fine and done everything I've asked of it).

I'm not even sure what your point is with legacy software and home users - so many home users will be needing to use legacy software for a variety of reasons whether it is an old mod for a game or educational software that has long been abandoned with no immediate replacement and so on.

Elevon said:
In fairness it does operate, as to what is hard to use?..Well that is down to the user in question, however Windows OS has always been easy to use in general, since Win95 it became child's play, sure people can argue about this or that, but you don't need a degree or rocket science technology, one of the real reasons why Linux is still playing catch up to Windows due to ease of use.

However even Linux is easier to use then decades ago.

I could turn this around and say some users have become lazy or stupid ie change a Start menu or something and they fall to pieces, welcome to the 21st century user level, are we back in caveman times?..Feels like it with some users out there.

Accept no OS is perfect, but Windows hard to use?... Lol no far from it, now if you threw a new learner back on DOS 6.22 then I might agree with you.

I don't think anyone has complained about Windows 10 being "too hard" to use ever in the 1000s of posts here - you are completely mis-reading what people are complaining about.

To break it down a bit when it comes to the start menu you tend to have 3 main types of user:

-Those that largely use search
-Those who like all the options up on screen making full use of the screen estate of their monitor to find what they are looking for
-Those who like a concise, minimal, organised menu that doesn't distract from whatever they are working on and can switch to and from it with minimal effort

For any of those users it is harder if they are forced to use one of the other types that doesn't mean they find the OS "hard" to use and no matter how much they "adapt" it will still be less effective than the method that suits them most naturally. For those that like to quickly type stuff out with minimal time away from the keyboard and minimal visual/UI interaction a menu will never be efficient no matter how easy it is to use while for those who a driven by a visual experience and like to use the mouse to find what they want having to spend time on the keyboard will never be efficient no matter how easy the functionality is and this extends to other areas of the OS and in other ways.