Windows 10 Pro Anniversary Update tweaked to stop you disabling app promos

413x said:
My s2k and Canon 70d won't change from what I have now without me deciding to change them.
Windows 10 could (I believe) have updates forced through that change potentially important aspects regarding privacy and more annoying, ads. And thus the product I signed up to is different.

Also I cannot see what benefits it has. For my HTpc for example windows media center is no longer available. What possible benefits will it provide? All software will work with win 7 for years to come.
If there was a big plus point to it of course I'd upgrade. But for myself, I don't see it.
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Yes but don't you see my point - life moves on. HTPC's themselves are now yesterdays tech with the advent of cheap consumer NAS, streaming, PVRs etc. etc. I used to think W7 was great but when I use it now it's like going back to Windows 98 by comparison.

Sometimes it's just good to take a deep breath and say 'to hell with it let's do it'. W10 is good but steer clear of express install and select what you want to turn on and turn off. I think I have just about everything turned off.
 
Billies Bangers said:
Yes but don't you see my point - life moves on. HTPC's themselves are now yesterdays tech with the advent of cheap consumer NAS, streaming, PVRs etc. etc. I used to think W7 was great but when I use it now it's like going back to Windows 98 by comparison.

Sometimes it's just good to take a deep breath and say 'to hell with it let's do it'. W10 is good but steer clear of express install and select what you want to turn on and turn off. I think I have just about everything turned off.
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It's so much hassle is the main aversion to it tbh.

I'd have to upgrade 3 machines and probably relearn a whole load of stuff to do with network shares etc
Have to say my htpc isn't needed anymore, but no point in scrapping it.
Even my desktop I could scrap. However a worthwhile alternative would probably be more expensive.
Been toying with the idea of scraping all 3 and just getting a surface book and keeping my monitors
 
Caged said:
I'm just trying to point out that it's easier to go along with this than to fight it indefinitely.
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It is easy to say for things that are just less than ideal or minor irritants but some stuff like limitations in setting a connection to metered in conjunction with the forced update stuff can cause all kinds of problems that have a huge or completely breaking impact on the experience that simply shouldn't exist in the first place and the only options are to take drastic measures like ripping update out of the whole environment which is also considerably less than ideal.

Caged said:
A home user doesn't need LTSB
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Home users have a wide range of uses though from never doing anything but browsing facebook through to all kinds of advanced uses that are more suited to the LTSB model than the home edition (aslong as someone isn't doing anything illegal or trying to run a business using home editions I don't see it is anyone's right to tell them what they can and can't do) - I could understand it if MS decided home was the curated experience and power users needed to get the professional edition for something more suited to their needs with more control over the options - but they haven't even done that in any particularly useful way.

Caged said:
- I would be surprised if an application that ran on Windows 7 can't run on Windows 10 with a compatibility flag checked. Unless that application interfaces with something that relies on an unsigned driver or something, in which case the vendor has had since Vista to fix that, and the user has had since that time to find a replacement.
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Generally compatibility with 10 is good but I've ran into a fair bit of older hardware (where the users aren't ready to spend money upgrading just yet) where the drivers simply won't play ball with 10 and some of my older game modding software, etc. is a struggle to get working in 7 and simply refuses to do anything in 10, etc. for some things there simply isn't a replacement - though that can be very random - my dad was hanging off Windows 10 due to one of his most used programs not working with it at all and literally right around the time his PC decided to update itself to 10 unasked the author of the program appeared out of nowhere having been MIA for years and released a Windows 10 update.
 
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Rroff said:
It is easy to say for things that are just less than ideal or minor irritants but some stuff like limitations in setting a connection to metered in conjunction with the forced update stuff can cause all kinds of problems that have a huge or completely breaking impact on the experience that simply shouldn't exist in the first place and the only options are to take drastic measures like ripping update out of the whole environment which is also considerably less than ideal.



Home users have a wide range of uses though from never doing anything but browsing facebook through to all kinds of advanced uses that are more suited to the LTSB model than the home edition (aslong as someone isn't doing anything illegal or trying to run a business using home editions I don't see it is anyone's right to tell them what they can and can't do) - I could understand it if MS decided home was the curated experience and power users needed to get the professional edition for something more suited to their needs with more control over the options - but they haven't even done that in any particularly useful way.



Generally compatibility with 10 is good but I've ran into a fair bit of older hardware (where the users aren't ready to spend money upgrading just yet) where the drivers simply won't play ball with 10 and some of my older game modding software, etc. is a struggle to get working in 7 and simply refuses to do anything in 10, etc. for some things there simply isn't a replacement - though that can be very random - my dad was hanging off Windows 10 due to one of his most used programs not working with it at all and literally right around the time his PC decided to update itself to 10 unasked the author of the program appeared out of nowhere having been MIA for years and released a Windows 10 update.
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Some issues you point out are nothing new, even Win7 won't run all software and some users still prefer to use XP etc, end of the day compatibility issues will always be there on every Windows OS regardless.


Yes users have different needs/requirements and again no OS will cater for every situation, at least you have choices of OS you want to use.

As to Win10 well changes are ongoing, they may be slow but one thing with Windows OS it always brings changes for good or bad.
 
Nevakonaza said:
Again Micro$oft up to their old tricks,They will realise they made huge mistakes when time goes by and people do not need DX12 or windows anymore to game..we know its coming its only a matter of time.

I for one cannot wait to ditch windows,I just wish it could come sooner.
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i wonder of bill gates using windows 10, or has he got his own version source code edited, so they are not snooping on him.
 
So effectively they're gearing Pro users in the workplace toward Enterprise with this move? I'm sure workarounds will pop up to powershell your way around them however.

Sounds a bit greedy if you ask me, but I can see why they're doing it.

As a home user, this makes no difference to me, and I imagine many others either. Classic Shell > Windows "start" menu all day long.
 
mrk said:
So effectively they're gearing Pro users in the workplace toward Enterprise with this move? I'm sure workarounds will pop up to powershell your way around them however.
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While totally ignoring small businesses or sole traders that have no need for enterprise levels of software support etc.... like me.

I use pro because I want the extra control or simple things like bitlocker, remote desktop and delaying updates (I don't need downtime at inopportune moments) but I have no need for an enterprise edition of windows because there is just me....

Do I want things like candy crush etc installed....no, don't want it never will. Luckily I don't use gpedit to remove them but if they start taking away the important things like control of my updates etc I may start looking more heavily into linux...
 
lsg1r said:
While totally ignoring small businesses or sole traders that have no need for enterprise levels of software support etc.... like me.

I use pro because I want the extra control or simple things like bitlocker, remote desktop and delaying updates (I don't need downtime at inopportune moments) but I have no need for an enterprise edition of windows because there is just me....

Do I want things like candy crush etc installed....no, don't want it never will. Luckily I don't use gpedit to remove them but if they start taking away the important things like control of my updates etc I may start looking more heavily into linux...
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MS seem to have entirely lost sight of what many areas of usage actually need from the OS :( and seem to be trying to force people into one of 2 usage models - either some kind of "hipster" lifestyle model for the personal usage type and enterprise kind of model for business :|
 
As curious as these changes are, Windows 10 remains the most compatible and stable across a multitude of systems IMO.

I have had the same Windows installed since 2009 and simply upgraded to each new version and had several motherboard upgrades in that time also.

Only on Windows 10 have I been able to completely disregard any need to uninstall old chipset drivers and things before migrating to the new build. Windows 10 seems to do all of that automatically, and has compatible and signed drivers in the Windows Update database for new components of the mobo.

It simply could not be any easier to upgrade your machine on Windows 10.

Granted this is of little use to the average business environment who will simply replace an old machine entirely, but point still stands, for all its failings, Windows 10 is the best Microsoft OS to date.
 
darkwildchild79 said:
i wonder of bill gates using windows 10, or has he got his own version source code edited, so they are not snooping on him.
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I was confused why it was talking about the "upcoming" anniversary update then I noticed you resurrected this half-year thread :p.

Pro user here on the latest update, the group policy is still there as far as I can see.

On the other hand Microsoft does seem to be listening, a test build includes the option to opt out of driver updates: http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/opera...-let-you-opt-out-of-automatic-driver-updates/
 
They are only half listening - they've been forced to make changes to how automatic updates work coming in the latest preview due to it wreaking havoc for people doing streaming seriously - but instead of common sense kicking in they've yet again stubbornly special cased around the pertinent issue - as more scenarios come to light they'll just end up with an increasingly clunky mess.
 
Rroff said:
MS seem to have entirely lost sight of what many areas of usage actually need from the OS :( and seem to be trying to force people into one of 2 usage models - either some kind of "hipster" lifestyle model for the personal usage type and enterprise kind of model for business :|
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This perfectly describes W10 for me.

The tacked on "modern" interface bits and lack of control over auto updates is diabolical.

The fact that there's two types of interface is just beyond a joke. It's like the twit who designed it realised half way that it was completely inadequate and so left the rest the same as W7.
 
I've done a few fresh installs of Windows, the first thing I do is work through a list of Registry changes and Powershell commands to remove all the crap. I also follow quite a few 'privacy steps', blocking as many known IPs as possible, using Spybot Beacon (not sure how effective this actually is) and few other bits. I find it makes the system more responsible and makes me feel I'm at least doing what I can to protect my privacy and give MS the V's. I've currently got an OEM 8.1 key which I upgraded from. Think I'll be going enterprise retail on my next system, I'd like control of my OS as possible, just annoys me I have to pay for that priviledge.

I'm very privacy conscious, not because I'm dodgy, but because I see my rights being erroded everywhere, and I don't like where it's headed. I do all I can to maintain my anonymity online, but in the modern world it's super difficult. I see Windows getting a lot worse as times goes on. Gaming is the only thing keeping me on the platform. I'd happily pay double Windows money for a linux platform I could game on with the same compatability and performance.
 
lol so they've now added the ability to "pause" all update activity for upto 35 days... oh come on just give up already and give users back proper manual control if they wish its getting farcical.

On the plus side they've put the start menu back into a form you can simplify properly again for efficient use though no doubt that will change again at some point :|

titaniumx3 said:
The fact that there's two types of interface is just beyond a joke. It's like the twit who designed it realised half way that it was completely inadequate and so left the rest the same as W7.
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To be fair I can kind of see what they were going with there - as its too big a task to move them all to one system in one go and they are trying to move options to the new system in a useful/enhanced way as well - but it seems to be semi abandoned and being worked on in fits and starts and overall just causing more problems and confusion as users suddenly find the settings they were relying on have moved and require re-familiarisation with the options which can completely throw less savvy/some older users.
 
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Rroff said:
lol so they've now added the ability to "pause" all update activity for upto 35 days... oh come on just give up already and give users back proper manual control if they wish its getting farcical.
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For this to work, updates will have to become non-cumulative again. Currently, if you skip a month by disabling windows update entirely, it is superseded by next month's update and you can't just install the previous month's when the new one is out. I'm sure the implementation will be entirely horrible and will break even more things. :p
 
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