Windows 11 is garbage

Although I use Firefox, the way I understand the article is that it prevents system admins changing the default browser.
If you're a system admin you'd just block the install of that update.

That is if it's still the same as last month when i uninstalled and blocked future installs of that KB myself.
 
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Windows 11 Start menu may soon show even more ads - Windows Central

Windows 11 doesn't have enough ads, says Microsoft's latest plan to force more ads onto your PC
  • Windows 11 may soon show promoted apps within the Recommended section of the Start menu.
  • The functionality was spotted in testing recently when a keen-eyed user noticed a subtle change in the text description of a Windows 11 setting.
  • Microsoft has promoted apps in the Start menu before, though that decision proved controversial.
  • Windows 11 pins some promoted apps within the Start menu when you install the operating system, but the new option would allow ads to appear within the Recommended section as well.
 
Learning curve was more then expected for me when I went from 10 to 11 on a new build, took me awhile to find easy stuff like Control Panel and Outlook, most of the taskbar icons were hidden, things removed and moved around, I hated 11 at first and it was more of learning curve for me then 7 to 8 which says a lot, anyway now I have everything I need in the right place and got use to the changes, still prefer 10 however so will be fun when 12 arrives, wonder what surprises that will have lol .

Btw I use Vivaldi for my default browser, dropped Firefox years ago around 50 version.

:) .
 
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If they put ads in the not-activated version, that would be fine with me, but putting ads in the activated (i.e. paid for) version makes it into some dodgy app their antivirus should be blocking.
I don't like the way things are heading. You need Windows 11 for full support of certain processors, for example to make the most of the E-cores on Intel's latests offerings. That's without mentioning Windows 10 reaching end-of-life soon, although this won't mean people are forced to Windows 11 - but probably strongly urged to do.
 
The recommendation section of the Start Menu needs to die, sadly people will just accept these changes and we'll all be the worse off for it.

Yep 100% agree, whilst the vocal few here seem to be quite happy with just installing 3rd party tools to fix it, why should it be needed

Even ex Microsoft staff aren't happy with it
 
Looks like the developers of StartAllBack and ExplorerPatcher are going to have to change their methods as Microsoft seeks to remove the legacy Windows code that they use.

Stardock is rolling out a new update for Start11 v2. Version 2.07 is now available for download with a few important changes and fixes for the bugs reported by users. To get the latest version, open the configuration panel, click About, and press the Check for updates button.

Stardock says version 2.07 will bring improved taskbar animations and fix related bugs. The latest version is also more stable when performing complex search queries.

Although we are still a few months away from the release of Windows 11 version 24H2, Start11 v2 is already offering customers under-the-hood optimizations for the upcoming Windows update.

With this release, we are primarily focusing on improvements to animations on the taskbar and squashing a few bugs that have been reported by the community. Also in this release, we are improving stability for complex search queries as well as a continued focus on the upcoming release of Windows that is currently known as Windows 11 24H2.

The latest Start11 v2 update comes right after Microsoft started blocking various UI customization apps and even preventing upgrades on systems with programs like StartAllBack and ExplorerPatcher without any warning. However, Start11 v2 users are not affected by Microsoft's slightly odd crusade.

Unlike StartAllBack and ExplorerPatcher, which rely on legacy Windows code to tweak the user interface in Windows, Start11 uses its own code to do its software magic. Therefore, removing the Windows 10-era taskbar from Windows 11 version 24H2 should not break Start11 or prevent you from getting to the latest release once it is available.

Later this year, Microsoft will be releasing as significant update to Windows 11 that is referred to as 24H2 and as part of this release, it looks like Microsoft will be removing legacy code from the OS. The removal of this code is impacting any Windows 11 application that leveraged this functionality but Start11 and Start11 v2 are not impacted.

You can learn more about the latest Start11 v2 update on the official website.
Start11 gets Windows 11 24H2 optimizations as the latter breaks other customization apps - Neowin
 
Is Tiny11 any good?

I've seen some people on youtube advice to use that instead of regular windows 11, but mostly for older hardware that is limited. What about regular hardware that is more than capable of running regular windows 11 - is it worth using then?
 
Is Tiny11 any good?

I've seen some people on youtube advice to use that instead of regular windows 11, but mostly for older hardware that is limited. What about regular hardware that is more than capable of running regular windows 11 - is it worth using then?
I would recommend MSMG's ToolKit. I can't link to the forum that it's on, but you should be able to find it with Google.

I use the above to remove most of the Windows apps and do a few tweaks. I personally think Windows breaks when you try to disable and/or delete core Windows software like Windows Defender, etc, so leave the majority of these untouched.
 
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So it begins: Microsoft starts showing full-screen ads about the end of Windows 10 support - Neowin

We are about 18 months away from the end of mainstream Windows 10 support, but Microsoft thinks it is time to start nagging warning Windows 10 users about the inevitable. Users on Reddit report spotting a new full-screen ad with a notification that Windows 10 is about to reach its end of life in October 2025, even though it is still getting new features (there are even rumors about Microsoft re-opening the Windows Insider Program for Windows 10).

There is no escape from Microsoft's latest ad, even for those using PCs that technically do not support Windows 11. It seems that the new banner is specifically designed and targeted for Windows 10 customers who cannot upgrade due to Windows 11's steep hardware requirements. It thanks Windows 10 users for their loyalty and suggests learning more about the end of Windows 10 support and the benefits of Windows 11.

A new journey with Windows
We want to thank you for your loyalty as a Windows 10 customer. As end of support for Windows 10 approaches, we're here to support you on your PC journey.
Your PC is not eligible to upgrade to Windows 11, but it will continue to receive Windows 10 fixes and security updates until support ends on October 14, 2025.
A Windows 11 ad in Windows 10

Typically, there is no apparent decline button: you can either postpone the ad or click "Learn more."

Still, it is worth noting that Microsoft should warn Windows 10 users about the upcoming end of support, considering the operating system's massive market share. It is just a bit odd to see Microsoft starting the campaign this early and without a single word about the ability to pay for the Extended Security Program, which, this time, also applies to regular consumers, not just commercial users.

With that said, Microsoft has yet to announce the ESU policies for home users, so we will most likely see a few more iterations of this banner. The approach itself is not new—Microsoft used the same tactic with Windows 7 before it reached the end of mainstream support in early 2020.
 
I still can't workout how they expect people to 'upgrade' to 11 when it has stricter hardware requirements, sure most modern systems have some form of TPM but do they really think thousands (millions?) of people are going to send their PCs to landfill.
 
Take your pick it is either incompetence or they want everyone having to run hardware which support TPM and that isn't for any reasons favourable to the end user...
 
I’ve “upgraded” to 11 twice now. The first time it lasted two days and more recently it lasted about two weeks. It’s just a terrible OS and forcing myself to get used to the functionality changes seemed like I was just punishing myself for no benefit.

All I wanted to try was the auto HDR and RTX HDR but both are totally worthless anyway as any game I’m playing has a HDR option. What really irked me was the lack of customisation for the Apps on the start bar but eventually HDR broke totally and every game was washed out. I just reimaged back to Windows 10 and have been happy.
 
It has only been a couple of days since an ex-Microsoft veteran engineer had heavily criticized the performance of Windows 11, especially the Start menu. In case you missed the story, a former Microsoft veteran engineer, Andy Young, took to Twitter (now X) to publish his thoughts about the current state of Windows 11.

Young felt that for the hardware he sported, Windows just did not seem fast enough, and he labeled the performance of the Start menu "comically bad," suggesting that the current state of the OS seemed to be on the unfinished side.

His sentiment was echoed by several on the social media platform, and many of our Neowin forum members felt the same too. Others found it hard to believe that a $1600 PC was being bogged down by the OS, suggesting the issue may be elsewhere.

Following Young's criticism, former Microsoft User Experience (UX) head Jensen Harris has now spoken against the company. Harris, like Young, took to Twitter and expressed, in a sarcastic tone, his disappointment and disapproval of the new ads system Microsoft is testing in the Windows 11 Start menu.

Harris' tweet was a direct response to a line in The Verge's report about the news, which remarked that "Microsoft has been experimenting with ads inside Windows for more than 10 years."

Hard to believe I left the Windows UI team a full 10 years ago, but I guess the math checks out! pic.twitter.com/nnrawCQ2fT
— Jensen Harris (@jensenharris) April 12, 2024

Harris' response is suggestive that he is not quite happy with the way things are currently going at the company since he left a decade ago. Therefore it's a double whammy for Microsoft as it has gotten reprimanded over its current Windows UI and UX decisions.

Before it went for Insider testing, we knew something like this was coming from previous build changes, and soon enough, it was publicly announced in build 22635.3495.

Interestingly, Microsoft is also currently contemplating adding a dedicated Taskbar menu button dubbed "Recommended" just for advertisements, and more such changes are likely to lead to performance issues unless the tech giant manages to better optimize the underlying code.
Another ex-Windows head denounces Microsoft after it got slammed for "bad" performance - Neowin
 
1600 USD pc bogged down? Lol.

Yes the start menu is dire but to go that far is a bit of a stretch. Sounds more like a disgruntled ex-employee if anything.

I refuse to believe that the performance issues outlined are widespread purely because I've personally rolled out windows 11 and 10 across a corporate network in my last role without a single issue and my personal install is so fast and stable that it can easily be mistaken for a fresh install even though its base install date is when Vista came out.
 
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I refuse to believe that the performance issues outlined are widespread purely because I've personally rolled out windows 11 and 10 across a corporate network in my last role without a single issue and my personal install is so fast and stable that it can easily be mistaken for a fresh install even though its base install date is when Vista came out.
They're not widespread because they're talking about Insider test builds, whether they get these issues sorted in the two (?) months before release is another question.

IDK what the typical cadence is for Beta - Release preview - Release.
 
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