This happens to me aswell in build 7229.
Will be ordering retail version soon, hopefully it's fixed.
Windows 7 RTM - What do you think of it?
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This happens to me aswell in build 7229.
Will be ordering retail version soon, hopefully it's fixed.
One of the best features IMHO, especially with a large widescreen display (24" +) having 2 windows open side-by side without having to manually resize them is fantastic.
My screen text is horrible in W7 - it's seems nowhere near as sharp as Vista was, it's like Cleartype has been turned off (it's definitely on). Its fine on my laptop, but terrible on my desktop 
Other than that, I'm liking it
Other than that, I'm liking it
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Just went from Vista to W7 & I am impressed, CPU & RAM usage is way down compared to Vista, It's also a lot snappier
nothing that would make me ditch XP
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nothing that would make me ditch XP
Haha, you use XP. Nothing in that would make me upgrade from 3.11 For Workgroups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7
Control Panel -> Ease of Access Centre -> Make the Mouse Easier to Use -> Prevent windows from being automatically arranged when moved to the edge of the screen.
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nothing that would make me ditch XP
At the risk of sounding like a rude fanboi, you enjoy your 8 year old OS. The rest of us will enjoy our modern OS with better features and better hardware support.
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Windows 7 is very much improving on the technologies from Windows Vista and streamlining the operating system whilst maintaining compatibility. To some people, it's a fairly significant upgrade, namely to those that are coming from Windows XP. For those that are already using Windows Vista, then it may not be such significant upgrade. Though, to some, it is. For me personally, Windows 7 is a fairly minor upgrade. In terms of performance, there is very little difference between Windows 7 and Windows Vista. However, there are a couple of nice changes that have been done to the operating system that makes it slightly nicer to use than Windows Vista.
The first one is the task-bar and the way it categorises Windows into a single icon. The second change that I like is Aero is still enabled whilst running a game which means when I alt-tab back to the desktop for various reasons (which I do a lot of the time), the system is still veyr nice to use. Finally, the third reason is the optimisations for solid state drives which are more than welcome since I'm currently using one now. These may seem pretty small improvements but as I said, Windows 7 is a relatively minor upgrade for me. Though, those little changes make Windows 7 slightly nicer to use overall.
nothing that would make me ditch XP
May I ask if you have actually tried the Windows 7 Release Candidate?
Nope maybe I should , and to be fair Im probably judging w7 from my vista experience which was really sluggish to say the least..
the features don't interest me but what does is the performance and w7 looks looks awesome in that department which I didn't realise my bad..
same for me also. i think the media has a large part to play in this. it was cool to bash vista. for some reason 7 is popular so everybody just jumps on the bandwagon. you see it everywhere
"ZOMG 7 is so much faster than vista LOLOL"
actually no it isn't, smacktards.
i've run vista on some pretty high end kit (quad core /8gb) and the low end too (single core pentium m/2gb) and it absolutely flew along in both instances - certainly far nicer to use than xp. i don't understand people's problems with it at all. i've been running w7 for just a week and i'm noticing no difference over vista (current rig is a celeron with 4gb ram
)there are some really nice touches with 7 with the way things are laid out and it's clean appearance. it's certainly nicer to use than vista. but faster? nope, i don't buy that at all.
it's certainly nicer to use than vista. but faster? nope, i don't buy that at all.
after reading a few articles on the internet all say its far quicker than vista & XP , well I downloading now so Ill see I guess .
i cant really comment on if its faster than vista as i never used it. Coming from windows xp to 7 however, i have noticed that my system is faster and games run smoother. Even world of warcraft is more stable and that thing can be buggy on some systems . All this on 2gigs of ram . guess i have no excuse to upgrade to 4gigs or 8 now that i am using x64. Very happy, MS did a great job.
. All this on 2gigs of ram . guess i have no excuse to upgrade to 4gigs or 8 now that i am using x64. Very happy, MS did a great job.
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I'm actually really impressed with Windows 7. I'm running RTM x64 on my Macbook via bootcamp and everything is working great (after a bit of fiddling to get the drivers running). I've been using the betas for a good while now (I'm on the testing team so got RTM as a result) and it's just been getting better and better.
I honestly thought Microsoft wouldn't ever fully recover from the mess they made with Vista but I can honestly say that they have and they've done a good job.
And that's coming from someone who's a bit of an Apple (specifically OSX) fanboy.
I honestly thought Microsoft wouldn't ever fully recover from the mess they made with Vista but I can honestly say that they have and they've done a good job.
And that's coming from someone who's a bit of an Apple (specifically OSX) fanboy.
Not all of the apple fanboys would agree with you though.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/05/09/why-windows-7-is-microsofts-next-zune/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/25/the-vista-myth-why-windows-7-wont-turn-microsoft-around/
Just throwing these out for discussion. I don't believe the guy.
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RTM has been working fine for me, does seem a little snappier than vista.
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In your opinion, what sort of mess did Microsoft make with Windows Vista out of interest?
It all depends how vista/win7 gets on with your hardware.. My system loves vista and cos of this its nice and snappy and loads stuf up instantly, so I cant see much of a speed boost upgrade to win7,, prob even get slightly lower games fps cos im geussing vista drivers are still better then win7 drivers and win7 drivers need to mature yet to get in par with vista.
There were a whole bunch of problems that gave Vista a reputation as the next Windows ME. Off the top of my head they included
1) OEMs selling low spec bargain bucket PCs that wern't powerful enough to run Vista, but putting Vista on it anyway, meaning that a lot of people considered Vista to be slow and crap
2) A lot of devices having no Vista drivers available at launch, and a lot of older devices (such as my Primax scanner) never getting Vista drivers made, meaning that a lot of people considered Vista to have poor hardware compatability
3) Vista's agressive caching and use of all spare memory for disk cache gained Vista a repuation as a memory hog amongst old school "enthusiasts" who believe that lots of free memory is necessary for gaming (which it is) but didn't realise that Vista will free up it's cache memory if something more important needs it.
4) A lot of enthusiast systems are heavily overclocked, and a lot of cheap systems have poor quality memory. Because of Vista's agressive caching, anyone who had a system with flaky memory will experience a lot more crashes under Vista than under XP, and blame it on Vista rather than on their crappy PC. Ergo Vista gets a reputation as being unstable
5) nVidia and ATI had terrible Vista drivers for a very long time. Sure their XP drivers wern't exactly great a lot of the time (I think one leak from MS said that nVidia and ATI could be blamed for half of all XP blue screens ever) but their Vista drivers in the early days were terrible and lead to unstable systems, CTDs in games and bluescreens which were blamed on Vista
6) MS are finally getting rid of an awful lot of legacy crap. This is necessary for a modern OS to be stable and secure. Unfortunately a lot of older applications, especially business applications are poorly written, often bespoke and unsupported by the developer, assuming the developer still even exists. If your business is depending on these things for it's day to day operations and they wont run on Vista then the only sane choice is to stay on XP. This is addressed in Win7Pro via the inclusion of the "XP Mode" virtual machine, wheras on Vista you'd need to actually obtain two Windows licenses for every PC you wanted to do this on.
7) The usual array of bugs and stupidity that accompanies any new Microsoft OS and gets fixed in the service pack. I think file copying was the big one in Vista.
Edit: 8) UAC
Note how most of this isn't MS's fault, though MS get the blame for it all.
Since Win7 is just Vista with a bit of polish, a bit of fat trimmed off and a few nice new features, it gets to benefit from the fact that most of Vista's issues have now been resolved and be released as a new OS that is all shiny and stable from day 1 and will just work out of the box for many people. This was a necessary move for MS really because the reputation of Vista is forever tarnished. Win7 is really just Vista SP3, but by pitching it as a new OS it will actually stand a chance of being judged fairly by businesses and consumers and not just seen as "LOL Vista" and ignored.
1) OEMs selling low spec bargain bucket PCs that wern't powerful enough to run Vista, but putting Vista on it anyway, meaning that a lot of people considered Vista to be slow and crap
2) A lot of devices having no Vista drivers available at launch, and a lot of older devices (such as my Primax scanner) never getting Vista drivers made, meaning that a lot of people considered Vista to have poor hardware compatability
3) Vista's agressive caching and use of all spare memory for disk cache gained Vista a repuation as a memory hog amongst old school "enthusiasts" who believe that lots of free memory is necessary for gaming (which it is) but didn't realise that Vista will free up it's cache memory if something more important needs it.
4) A lot of enthusiast systems are heavily overclocked, and a lot of cheap systems have poor quality memory. Because of Vista's agressive caching, anyone who had a system with flaky memory will experience a lot more crashes under Vista than under XP, and blame it on Vista rather than on their crappy PC. Ergo Vista gets a reputation as being unstable
5) nVidia and ATI had terrible Vista drivers for a very long time. Sure their XP drivers wern't exactly great a lot of the time (I think one leak from MS said that nVidia and ATI could be blamed for half of all XP blue screens ever) but their Vista drivers in the early days were terrible and lead to unstable systems, CTDs in games and bluescreens which were blamed on Vista
6) MS are finally getting rid of an awful lot of legacy crap. This is necessary for a modern OS to be stable and secure. Unfortunately a lot of older applications, especially business applications are poorly written, often bespoke and unsupported by the developer, assuming the developer still even exists. If your business is depending on these things for it's day to day operations and they wont run on Vista then the only sane choice is to stay on XP. This is addressed in Win7Pro via the inclusion of the "XP Mode" virtual machine, wheras on Vista you'd need to actually obtain two Windows licenses for every PC you wanted to do this on.
7) The usual array of bugs and stupidity that accompanies any new Microsoft OS and gets fixed in the service pack. I think file copying was the big one in Vista.
Edit: 8) UAC
Note how most of this isn't MS's fault, though MS get the blame for it all.
Since Win7 is just Vista with a bit of polish, a bit of fat trimmed off and a few nice new features, it gets to benefit from the fact that most of Vista's issues have now been resolved and be released as a new OS that is all shiny and stable from day 1 and will just work out of the box for many people. This was a necessary move for MS really because the reputation of Vista is forever tarnished. Win7 is really just Vista SP3, but by pitching it as a new OS it will actually stand a chance of being judged fairly by businesses and consumers and not just seen as "LOL Vista" and ignored.
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