Windows 7 x64 vs. windows 8.1

You'll have to accept that UI is a matter of preference. A lot of us find the 8/Metro UI less intuitive, and more cumbersome. And we simply don't like it very much.

We never asked for live tiles and find them useless.
We don't like that everything is displayed on the start menu and you get to hunt through a billion icons.
(Yes you can start typing the app name - but then what the point of the tiles at all? You'll be ignoring them all. Does that one monolithic start screen help you find something you haven't used before? Wouldn't a small number of categories help to narrow down your search more quickly?)
We like Aero and hate the new flat look in 8. I really, really, really HATE the new flat look. It's like going back in time.

But no, we're all wrong, and win8 is scientifically superior. (note: this is sarcasm).
 
oh god, so because you don't want live tiles, then non if us can?
It is not a worse UI, so no I don't have to accept that at all. I can happily accept you don't like it. Although I think for most people that's a psychological reason for it, rather than actual as there are several live tiles that are so useful.

So you don't like tiles on desktop either? You don't search by typing the name, no difference win7/win8 in that regard, and lets not forget if you really hate it and have zero use for metro, you never have to see it.

I know what I would like to see, I doubt it will happen, but is a merger of desktop and metro. Small metro icons are pretty much identical size to desktop icons. So just combine the two screens. Make the tiles be able to be placed anywhere. And make taskbar, hot corners etc all optional. Allow live tile folders and hot lists.

As to category tiles, you can add or remove any tile, you can make categories etc.
As to flat look that's prefrence, but that's a modern look, MS is not the only company to do that styling, most have.
 
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FoxEye said:
You'll have to accept that UI is a matter of preference. A lot of us find the 8/Metro UI less intuitive, and more cumbersome. And we simply don't like it very much.

We never asked for live tiles and find them useless.
We don't like that everything is displayed on the start menu and you get to hunt through a billion icons.
(Yes you can start typing the app name - but then what the point of the tiles at all? You'll be ignoring them all. Does that one monolithic start screen help you find something you haven't used before? Wouldn't a small number of categories help to narrow down your search more quickly?)
We like Aero and hate the new flat look in 8. I really, really, really HATE the new flat look. It's like going back in time.

But no, we're all wrong, and win8 is scientifically superior. (note: this is sarcasm).
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FoxEye said:
You'll have to accept that UI is a matter of preference. A lot of us find the 8/Metro UI less intuitive, and more cumbersome. And we simply don't like it very much.
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There's simply no point having this argument with Glaucus. Even Microsoft are gutting the crappy tile interface out progressively because it was a mistake, but you won't get anywhere trying to convince Glaucus, he just bangs on about it being new and progress without any perception that new is not always better. If you don't like it you're either old or inflexible, despite the worldwide criticism of the tile interface.

And don't forget the Audible app, this is the future.
 
Just lol. No where have I said new is always better, I have actually explained why it's better, something people haven't done in return. And removing it? They're adding options, they aren't removing it at all.
 
Windows 8.1 Update 2 puts the start menu back in, how is this not an epic back track? They stripped out forced boot to metro nonsense too.

And you have always said that new is better, endlessly, and anyone who doesn't except this UI is somehow psychologically at fault.
 
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Windows 8.1 Update 2 puts the start menu back in, how is this not an epic back track?

And you have always said that new is better, endlessly, and anyone who doesn't except this UI is somehow psychologically at fault.
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That is in no way gutting of metro. Which is what you said. And what w8.1u2, that died awhile ago. According to everyone.
No I've given reason to why it's better, I haven't just gone new is always better. I haven't just gone it's crape with k+m which is clearly rubbish, when plenty if us use it with k+m, I also don't day all apps are rubbish, when they clearly aren't. It's demostratable many apps are better than the desktop versions. Whether you use them or not is a different matter.
 
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oh god, so because you don't want live tiles, then non if us can?
It is not a worse UI, so no I don't have to accept that at all. I can happily accept you don't like it. Although I think for most people that's a psychological reason for it, rather than actual as there are several live tiles that are so useful.

So you don't like tiles on desktop either? You don't search by typing the name, no difference win7/win8 in that regard, and lets not forget if you really hate it and have zero use for metro, you never have to see it.

I know what I would like to see, I doubt it will happen, but is a merger of desktop and metro. Small metro icons are pretty much identical size to desktop icons. So just combine the two screens. Make the tiles be able to be placed anywhere. And make taskbar, hot corners etc all optional. Allow live tile folders and hot lists.

As to category tiles, you can add or remove any tile, you can make categories etc.
As to flat look that's prefrence, but that's a modern look, MS is not the only company to do that styling, most have.
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Your missing the point entirely - for me live tiles are completely irrelevant to my use, do not in any shape or form superseded the way I work with the OS in a way that would enhance my day to day use and infact possibly are a step backwards - but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have them and thats not what he is saying either - but what you and Elevon don't seem to comprehend is that the desktop gravitated towards a certain model for a reason, and tended to stick close to that model again for a reason and the reasons for that haven't gone away so throwing that model out almost entirely and not replacing it with something that is an evolution of the solution to that reason isn't a step forward at all.

I'm all for an OS getting extra features to encompass a range of usage or evolving to better support certain ways of working - I can also fully understand that the start menu model isn't at all the best way to work for every one but Windows 8 isn't an evolution of the way that is best suited to a good percentage of users and that isn't a good thing - even if its great for some users like yourself.
 
Not at all. I've always said you can dislike it if you wish. I find it hard to belive you have no use for metro however as it has clear benefits in personal information, not for production.

Yes it did gravitate towards a certain model, but a model that has been supersede in many ways from instant information, developed in a time before always on internet and instant information, something mobile OS have done well for years. This is what MS is adding. It's adding the notification areas, the live tiles, for calendars, emails, weather, parcel tracking etc, while media apps like metrotube, Netflix, audible etc have far better UI than their desktop equivalents.

This is why I fond it hard to belive people don't have a use for metro(unless it's 100% production machine and they have outlook/thunderbird, which will almost certainly be a works machine anyway). They might be running outlook/thunderbird for email, how about the rest? Most home users however do not use thunderbird/outlook, and have to login and refresh multiple websites, this is quite clearly a bad design and something metro solves and brings in line with mobile OS which have been far superior at instant information for years.

So to sum it up, all orebiuse windows have been good for productivity, they have been useless at displaying real time information and in this area have been surpassed by mobile OS for years. No win8 has the best of both worlds, is it perfect? Of course not, but no OS is. It is however a darn site better than win7. Desktop hasn't changed, everything I did in win7 I can do in win8 just as easily, yet I now have an OS designed for real time info as well, without login in to 8 different sites and manually refreshing.
 
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Because on release it was forced upon desktop users and the backlash has led to it being marginalised rather than the primary UI it started out as.

Boot to metro has gone, full screen fisher-price tiles looks to be done for. The really retarded placement of the power off setting has been fixed. The daft invisible button for the win-x menu has gone.

Windows 8 has steadily improved by removing the UI changes they made from Win 7. The OS is rock solid underneath.
 
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This still isn't what you said, it is in no way gutting metro. And I don't really care if they bring back start menu, I just hope I can disable it. I'm all for choice, but it has to be balanced with adoption and figures for 3rd party developers to embrace the system.
 
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This still isn't what you said, it is in no way gutting metro. And I don't really care if they bring back start menu, I just hope I can disable it. I'm all for choice, but it has to be balanced with adoption and figures for 3rd party developers to embrace the system.
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How is removing it as the enforced primary UI not gutting it? Along with the progressive removal of the changes made? :confused:
 
How is it? It's not being removed, it still in there. And it still is primary interface depending on machine type.

Again in no way are they gutting it. Do stop trying to defend your silly point. Especially when you use start menu as a reason, which has it backed into it. Did you see the start menu they showed off at build? Metro was 100% bakes into it. As well as now being baked into taskbar.
 
so no valid argument, ms are changing things and will continue to do so. They are not gutting metro in the slightest and it's not going anywhere.
 
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Elevon don't seem to comprehend is that the desktop gravitated towards a certain model for a reason, and tended to stick close to that model again for a reason and the reasons for that haven't gone away so throwing that model out almost entirely and not replacing it with something that is an evolution of the solution to that reason isn't a step forward at all.

I'm all for an OS getting extra features to encompass a range of usage or evolving to better support certain ways of working - I can also fully understand that the start menu model isn't at all the best way to work for every one but Windows 8 isn't an evolution of the way that is best suited to a good percentage of users and that isn't a good thing - even if its great for some users like yourself.
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Again you are missing the point,Win7 came from Win95 over time or decades if you like which was a change from Win3.11 and I won't even bother mentioning DOS.

Win8 was a change in direction and users forget that Win8 is not the end or start of a new OS with different GUI,Win9 and 10 etc may have a different GUI yet again,it's the mentality of users that expect Win7 GUI to stay the same forever which is really naive,think of Windows has continuing to change and evolve and always adapting to modern needs.

Also remember PC nowadays is not like the old days where Windows desktop OS had no competition and desktop OS was on its own,nowadays a whole new ball game with different kinds of hardware out there so Microsoft are adapting to those as well ,don't think of Win8 as a finished template for modern hardware but first change and new direction of future operating systems,GUI may change again and again with each new OS like from 9 onwards as they continue to improve/refine on what they think is best for modern times and modern hardware.


Everybody is fixed on what Win8 is now and are not even thinking on what the future holds with regards to changes to GUI etc in Windows.

Remember nothing is stopping Microsoft from changing GUI again and again down the road ,also trying to improve Windows with each new version for modern hardware,I say try because you can't please everybody,regardless nothing hard in using a modern OS like Win8 so moot point IMHO,Win9,10 will be no different dead simple to use but hey some users like to moan about something right?
 
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I reinstalled Windows a few weeks back and was saying Windows 7 or Windows 8...

I went with W7 as I had an ISO already but could get W8 key and ISO easy enough. I just never hear about the benefits of W8 over W7. If anything I just here about awkward things which don't work which I can't be bothered with as I know W7 works for me.
 
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