Windows 8 - 8.1 nicrosoft what were you thinking!
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Plus crappy drivers, and UAC, which is a lot more annoying than people seem to remember in Vista.
You're comparing two very different markets, again. The features that have been borrowed from OSX are staring you in the face. I'll never compare a market with a mid to high cost of entry to a bargain basement market with next to no margin on most sales. Again, this was pointed out at the very beginning by myself and at least one other.
Yes, they released Windows 7 for free because Vista was a resounding success.
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No you'll compare a totally different market, cheap often upgrades, with small corporate install base to long support windows support, large corporate install base and large cost.
Nothing good about your comparison or pointless stat.
Still no comment on win8 outselling your all so great adoption rate successful os.
And no comment on premium does not mean single figure market share. Again Ipod, ipad and iPhone all achieved over 50% marketshare in there heyday. At some points far more than that.
And you say win8 tablets are a flop, at 4.5% that's only just behind osx marketshare which has been out for decades, yeah such a good model to copy and even the flop of tablets is outselling osx10.8 with your oh so good adoption rate, oh wait perhaps its not such a good adoption rate, because the adoption rate you are using means sod all, it's the adoption rate compared to the entire market you need, the adoption rate within a tiny tiny segment of it means nothing. Using osx selling rate as a reason for MS to coy it is lame, because MS product is Allready selling more copies.
The model they are copying is IOS not OSX.
Nothing good about your comparison or pointless stat.
Still no comment on win8 outselling your all so great adoption rate successful os.
And no comment on premium does not mean single figure market share. Again Ipod, ipad and iPhone all achieved over 50% marketshare in there heyday. At some points far more than that.
And you say win8 tablets are a flop, at 4.5% that's only just behind osx marketshare which has been out for decades, yeah such a good model to copy and even the flop of tablets is outselling osx10.8 with your oh so good adoption rate, oh wait perhaps its not such a good adoption rate, because the adoption rate you are using means sod all, it's the adoption rate compared to the entire market you need, the adoption rate within a tiny tiny segment of it means nothing. Using osx selling rate as a reason for MS to coy it is lame, because MS product is Allready selling more copies.
The model they are copying is IOS not OSX.
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Your social circle must be small as android has 75% of the Mobile market
Not mobiles, I meant tablets such as nexus etc... alost every one has an ipad these days.
Yep android tablets outsell ipad. Android tablets have 67% of the sales. So yeah it's not phones, but androids beating everyone in the phone market as well.
Nail on the ****ing head mate. How blooming easy would it have been for them to simply let you pick a mode on first startup? "Adult Work Mode or Dumbed Down Child Play Mode" right?
But noooo. This just completely backs up the point I've been making that they want to force their metro cr'apps on their desktop user base simply to get a bigger base for their cr'apps and to shift people away from Apple/Google cloud services.
This is why all this **** tablet/mobile crap has plagued our humble desktops. Absolutely **** all to do with tablets being more popular than desktops as some idiots (not gonna name any names) on here seem to think. That's like saying Windows should become an MP3 player because more MP3 players are sold than Desktops
There's so many things you cannot do on a tablet.
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It's a unified os, so what have to UI , which is what the start menu is, you don't need a start menu and if yu really want it you can get it.
Tablets year on year sales are up 65% to 51.7milion, pc sales slump a further 15%(started before win8 came out) to 76miillion, it won't be long till tablets out sell pcs.
If you also include smartphones, the android is the biggest os accros all platforms.
It's nothing like saying windows should become an mo3 player. As windows is still a fully capable desktop os, I fact next to nothing's changed, it shows how deluded your rants are.
Tablets year on year sales are up 65% to 51.7milion, pc sales slump a further 15%(started before win8 came out) to 76miillion, it won't be long till tablets out sell pcs.
If you also include smartphones, the android is the biggest os accros all platforms.
It's nothing like saying windows should become an mo3 player. As windows is still a fully capable desktop os, I fact next to nothing's changed, it shows how deluded your rants are.
I reinstalled 7 x64 after having woes on 8. (drivers on CF)
8 is faster excel takes 1 sec in 8 and 3 in 7. Boot is 1/2 the time in 8. Internet is also quicker in 8. CS6 takes 4 secs in 8. This was on a ssd that I brought and used on 7 64bit.
Benchmarking on 8 MLL was 48 secs with a msi@960 and vxd @880 (7950) on 7 with 2 msi @960 is 48.19??? HDD backed up in case of issues. Will do this at the weekend and test again. My 2c (aslo purchased start 8)
8 is faster excel takes 1 sec in 8 and 3 in 7. Boot is 1/2 the time in 8. Internet is also quicker in 8. CS6 takes 4 secs in 8. This was on a ssd that I brought and used on 7 64bit.
Benchmarking on 8 MLL was 48 secs with a msi@960 and vxd @880 (7950) on 7 with 2 msi @960 is 48.19??? HDD backed up in case of issues. Will do this at the weekend and test again. My 2c (aslo purchased start 8)
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I'm a fan of windows 8, looking forward to 8.1 as it adds a few interesting features but like others, I did cheat a bit and purchase start8. It would have taken me far longer to get used to 8 if it wasn't for start8. well worth the few dollars its costs 
With all due respect, aren't you the guy who only browses the web on your tablet? I remember you saying the reason your posts are always riddled with errors was because you always use a tablet? Therefore, aren't you inherently going to be a fan of Windows coming to tablets, no matter what?
It's not only you, you know. Some of us need desktops for accomplishing demanding tasks which cannot even be fathomed on a pesky tablet. And watching our operating system slowly being reduced to a collection of navigationally tedious pictograms hurts.
Also thanks for confirming your lack of ability to understand. You were supposed to compare the MP3 player with Metro, not Windows
.Also you still haven't provided me with the reason they couldn't allow the user to choose classic mode or child mode, other than blindly declining the fact that it's to force people to use their Metro crapps in order to shift people away from Google/Apple cloud services.
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Metro is windows, so you comparison still falls flat on its face.its still a general computing interface and nothing like changing it to a one task basic machine.
Windows can still do demanding tasks, desktop is still the same, you can still run all the same software in all the same at.
So no, your rant is still absolutely deluded.
I haven't given you a reason? Really?
Lets try again.
It's a unified OS, notice how it's got a unified UI system, notice how things like charm bar works on both desktop and metro? Keeping start menu is not making a unified os. It splits the experience up.
And yes I use a broken tablet (dodgyntouch screen) for surfing and a windows laptop for traditional windows things. Guess what I still use desktop and metro 80%a
-20% split, no way would I go back to win7, win8 is miles better. Both desktop and metro are a massive improvment over win7. Windows has been missing the ease and notification of mobile computing, it now has that, and it's still got all the power of windows.
Win7 doesn't even have any native way to see how many emails you have without opening up webpage, or get notification when a new email comes in. We've had this basic functionality for years on mobile devices.
Windows can still do demanding tasks, desktop is still the same, you can still run all the same software in all the same at.
So no, your rant is still absolutely deluded.
I haven't given you a reason? Really?
Lets try again.
It's a unified OS, notice how it's got a unified UI system, notice how things like charm bar works on both desktop and metro? Keeping start menu is not making a unified os. It splits the experience up.
And yes I use a broken tablet (dodgyntouch screen) for surfing and a windows laptop for traditional windows things. Guess what I still use desktop and metro 80%a
-20% split, no way would I go back to win7, win8 is miles better. Both desktop and metro are a massive improvment over win7. Windows has been missing the ease and notification of mobile computing, it now has that, and it's still got all the power of windows.
Win7 doesn't even have any native way to see how many emails you have without opening up webpage, or get notification when a new email comes in. We've had this basic functionality for years on mobile devices.
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Windows Key > Start tying for app/setting you want > Hit enter
Quicker than navigating Start Menu > All Programs EVERY SINGLE TIME. Search for lesser used apps like this, pin commonly used apps to start bar.
Windows 8 is no slower to use than Windows 7 if you have the mental capacity to adjust your usage habits.
Quicker than navigating Start Menu > All Programs EVERY SINGLE TIME. Search for lesser used apps like this, pin commonly used apps to start bar.
Windows 8 is no slower to use than Windows 7 if you have the mental capacity to adjust your usage habits.
As in previous posts on other threads, I have stated that I like Windows 8. I have been using it for nearly a year on my work laptop as I originally got it on MSDN. Obviously the laptop is used for work which means I spend most of my time on the desktop. I really don't get the argument about Windows 8 hampering Desktop usage. You can still use all your desktop apps.
I do think that Windows 8.1 does improve things for Desktop:
-Having a Start Button, especially when using remote desktop to server 2012 R2
-Being able to make the Start Screen default all Apps screen bypassing tiles
-Boot Straight to desktop
-The right click menu on the Start button including options like Shutdown. (Even in Windows 8 it includes more options than the old Start menu provided)
I do think that Windows 8.1 does improve things for Desktop:
-Having a Start Button, especially when using remote desktop to server 2012 R2
-Being able to make the Start Screen default all Apps screen bypassing tiles
-Boot Straight to desktop
-The right click menu on the Start button including options like Shutdown. (Even in Windows 8 it includes more options than the old Start menu provided)
but if they added classic mode 95% of people will just use it even without trying the new UI, and when the next windows release comes most likely they would remove the classic shell, same like from 3.11 to 95 it had 3.11 ui shell then they removed it in 98 and you to manually add it. so people would still moan later down the line. nothing stays the same forever.
the main thing about windows is if you don't like something about it you can customize it by ether built in options or 3rd party programs. it's not like MS has blocked you changing/customizing windows using 3rd party programs.
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Do you not see the irony of this sentence?
My thoughts on the Windows 8 start menu...
Is it the most ideal start menu for a PC? No, probably not. It works though and takes all of 5 minutes to get used to.
You could argue that if you spend 15 minutes customising the start menu it could speed up your work flow, a lot. Everything you need can be on the first screen windows gives you on boot up.
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I do not think you will find most people buy their own, in my rather larger family I am the only one who has built a computer, others buy a pre-built as they do not care about being able to save a few quid if that for a basic machine and want one to just work.
Why are MS phones bad? MS do not make any phones, their make the OS, Nokia are the major manufacturer of them, granted WinPhone 7/7.8 were a bit dodgy Phone 8 is a brilliant OS, and if it was so crap why are so many companies swapping to them? Why is o2 now actively pushing the Windows Phone devices?
windows 8 has enhanced my desktop experience over windows 7, true story.