Windows 8 is a Joke!

The the companies can stay on XP (at their own risk), move to Windows 7 or wait and see what comes out from MS in the future. They can also consider moving to a flavour of linux or one of the other operating systems available.

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

…I know. That was my point. I was trying to counter the argument that seems to be increasingly put forward in these discussions that is along the lines of "people who can't use Windows 8 are idiots". Because they aren't.
 
Wont have a roi, are you kidding yourself? Let alone the time saving features in win8 like fast boot and easy reinstall/refresh for the front line IT staff.
There's many ways to get roi, not least the huge benefits to mobile staff. Which we have seen several large companies allready roll out w8 tablets, and the fact they integrate smoothly with the office systems.
Another one accounted the other day, an insurance firm rolling out 30k custom Fujitsu tablets to its mobile work force. Which will increase flexibility, decrease time and paper.
 
You're comparing a W7 -> W8 upgrade with giving people tablets where before they presumably had nothing. The two aren't the same.
 
You're comparing a W7 -> W8 upgrade with giving people tablets where before they presumably had nothing. The two aren't the same.

They very much are interlaced.
Why make lots of software, when they can all use one platform and one piece of software. That very much is a huge saving in training, support, and creating software in the first time.
Then as I said there are other benefits for win8 in purely office situations that will see increased productivity and money saving.
Most companies have large numbers of mobile staff, from tradition sales and engineering staff, to office staff who have meetings all over the place and need mobile computting.
 
If there are no benefits to migrating these types of staff to Windows 8 then why on earth would anyone invest time and money in training people and then the inevitable increased helpdesk workload when the other option is to just stick with Windows 7? I don't see why the end customers should have to foot the bill for Microsoft attempting to become relevant in the tablet field by making the desktop experience equally terrible.

Who suggested upgrading just for the sake of it? On a corporate desktop I agree, but where did this come from? I don't think anybody has suggested such a project (please correct me if I'm wrong)
 
It was in response to the suggestions that staff that can't grasp Windows 8 from the outset are useless and should be sacked. This is a great viewpoint to have if you want to further the stereotypical 'BOFH' style IT administrator, but not a great way to keep a job.
 
I never said don't change, but good luck justifying training costs, cost associated with the lost productivity in the changeover, and the costs associated with larger demands on the 1st line help desk when they were all a result of a Windows 8 migration that won't have an ROI. Upgrading for the sake of it is daft.

It's not a question of upgrading for the sake of it,we are talking about workers getting paid in the office to work with the OS the company use(any OS),its like you saying sorry I can't use Win7 or 8 I want Win 3.11,you use what the company use period.

Basically workers in an office environment should be prepared to use whatever the company needs or adapts too.

BTW it took me 2 weeks to learn my way around Win8 and this is from a guy with no IT training when I was at school, computers were not even around back then.
Don't confuse home users with office workers,home users do have a choice.
 
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We're going round in circles here. If you upgrade corporate desktops to Windows 8 and don't train anyone then you can't fire people when they can't work it out. The best case scenario is that you lose a ton of time to people trying to figure it out themselves.
 
We're going round in circles here. If you upgrade corporate desktops to Windows 8 and don't train anyone then you can't fire people when they can't work it out. The best case scenario is that you lose a ton of time to people trying to figure it out themselves.

And who's doing or even saying that?
 
Nope, he siad should work with the os even if they need training.
Which is right, you have to work with what the company gives you, you have no right to refuse and if you need training it makes biusiness sense otherwise they aren't getting the max from you.

So no, you will have to do better than that,
 
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So much for staff being flexible and adaptable,they would have got sacked if they could not figure it out with or without training.

Slow down, take the time to read things and if we're lucky, spend some more time hitting the right keys on your keyboard and you'll go a long way to looking less foolish.
 
Fair enough. I disagree with that statement.
Company has to take steps before they sack people and that is often training/extra training.
 
I bought my first copy at £15 to upgrade my AMD C-50 powered Acer Iconia Tablet.

The difference it made over Windows 7 was brilliant. Turned an OK device into one I wanted to use. Admittedly that was a tablet but the best thing about it was the speed increase on a weak CPU.
 
Slow down, take the time to read things and if we're lucky, spend some more time hitting the right keys on your keyboard and you'll go a long way to looking less foolish.

So you try to throw cheap sarcastic insults now,that's that about your level and I'm not surprised,its clear you don't understand or refuse to even try.
 
Most companies will only just be upgrading to Windows 7 anyway.

It's always smart in a business sense to be one behind so the system is fully supported and it then doesn't require employees to need much training due to being used to that system at home plus the current company software should be supported.

A lot of people keep saying about Windows 8 quick boot times you do know you can get Windows 7 to do all this speedy stuff with tweaks this is how I have been running ti for years.
 
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