Windows 8 is a Joke!
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No I understand that people should be adaptable, but let me know how far you get majorly changing the OS they use on their PCs and then not providing training for people. And for what gains?
I'm not arguing that point ,gains are all relative to the company and user in question,my point is you have to expect changes sooner or later and adapt to those situations within the office environment.
End of the day the company decides what's best for them and as an employee you have to go along with that,home users obviously have more choice and say.
So for example if a company decides to use Win8 then the employee should be expected to learn and adapt to Win8,training wise sure but they must be willing to adapt and use the OS in question.
I can understand training saves time and money within the office environment in the long run.
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The problem with these sorts of threads is that, aside from the unnecessary toxicity, too many hypothetical arguments get thrown into the pot.
Nobody should be labelled an idiot for having difficulty with a new OS. That's just as obtuse and unhelpful as people on the other side of the fence calling it childish or "Fisher Price". But it really does need to be put into context every now and again.
Yes, there is a retraining requirement, but it's often way overblown as an issue. Office 2003 to 2007 is in a different league when it comes to retraining, but the Office product hasn't collapsed in on itself. People just get used to it over time, and I think that's the point most people are trying to make albeit not in a diplomatic way sometimes.
When something gets called out for being childish/simplistic, but at the same time requiring some sort of huge investment in training to get people up to speed, it really does say a lot about the exaggeration that goes on.
Where is the hysteria about having to train people to use corporate iPads? Or having to integrate them into what it almost certainly a Windows environment? A BYOD policy, or being handed a device down from on high to get working, meets the "forced" definition that gets banded about far too freely much more closely than that of an operating system you can simply choose not to deploy. It's unreal how out of proportion the arguments are.
The most pressing retraining issue in my opinion is not the new "metro style" stuff per se, it's the fact that Microsoft have changed it quite a lot in 12 months. I expect this to be less of an issue over time as it matures, but it doesn't help the fact that I've had to re-write significant portions of support documents because they won't make sense in a few months time, and that users will have to "unlearn" certain conventions. I should be adding, not re-writing.
That's a far more legitimate beef with the new UI, as opposed to arguing hypothetical scenarios and extreme edge cases, which is unfortunately what most similar threads descend into.
Nobody should be labelled an idiot for having difficulty with a new OS. That's just as obtuse and unhelpful as people on the other side of the fence calling it childish or "Fisher Price". But it really does need to be put into context every now and again.
Yes, there is a retraining requirement, but it's often way overblown as an issue. Office 2003 to 2007 is in a different league when it comes to retraining, but the Office product hasn't collapsed in on itself. People just get used to it over time, and I think that's the point most people are trying to make albeit not in a diplomatic way sometimes.
When something gets called out for being childish/simplistic, but at the same time requiring some sort of huge investment in training to get people up to speed, it really does say a lot about the exaggeration that goes on.
Where is the hysteria about having to train people to use corporate iPads? Or having to integrate them into what it almost certainly a Windows environment? A BYOD policy, or being handed a device down from on high to get working, meets the "forced" definition that gets banded about far too freely much more closely than that of an operating system you can simply choose not to deploy. It's unreal how out of proportion the arguments are.
The most pressing retraining issue in my opinion is not the new "metro style" stuff per se, it's the fact that Microsoft have changed it quite a lot in 12 months. I expect this to be less of an issue over time as it matures, but it doesn't help the fact that I've had to re-write significant portions of support documents because they won't make sense in a few months time, and that users will have to "unlearn" certain conventions. I should be adding, not re-writing.
That's a far more legitimate beef with the new UI, as opposed to arguing hypothetical scenarios and extreme edge cases, which is unfortunately what most similar threads descend into.
Well put. People referring to other people as idiots for not understanding a concept is a bit of a trigger for me, having just left a job where the IT manager made it a personal mission to belittle people who couldn't get their head around his incredibly convoluted and needlessly complicated workflows. I don't like to see work environments turn that toxic and am firmly of the belief that it is not IT's role to judge people.
I may dislike the O/S but I did not start the thread to enflame anyones feelings on the Operating system itself everyone else seems to have joined the bandwagon on that. I merely defend my point of view that the current overinflated price of an Upgrade direct from Microsoft is £189.99. Which is a long way from previous upgrades. Considering it takes a year for many users to think about upgrading and sometimes even a new PC build. But to sell an upgrade at a price previous Network solution price stream is a bit steep and doesn't stand to reason. You may be able to buy an OEM version here or there or an inflated version of the 2012 release, but not a present release. Also 8.1 is still on Preview which offers very little you cannot do yourself.
Pricing has been great,it was 15 or 25 quid at launch and with free WMC upgrade for Pro users back then,now you can get OEM for under 80 here at OcUK,also remember Win8 OEM is like retail version of Win7, plus free upgrade to Win8.1 for Win8 users so great value for money.
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Why are you still whinging over the price of an upgrade when you can get OEM for £80?
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I can't agree with you more .
What you are sayimg is that someone whom wishes to purchase the Operating system should buy an OEM version which is restricted to one Motherboard. An upgrade should allow me to put the software on any one PC I own and not restricting it to the system I install it to. Remember if my motherboard goes down I would have just spent £80 on thin air....
That is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I have purchased retail packages over the years with Full versions of Windows XP and Windows 7 The only Upgrades I purchased were Windows Vista. Obviously before XP there were Windows 95 98SE and Windows ME. Nt went to 2000 etc.
But if I purchased an OEM version of an OS it was to build into a system I was selling on. OEM is for system builders and not for consumer install. If you use an OEM version then I wonder what excuse you give to MS when you install it on a new Motherboard setup?????
Oem is not restricted to one motherboard or the system you install ot on, and can be placed on any pc.
Oem is for consumer install as well.
You're a bit behind the times and kicking off when you don't k ow what you are talking abut, over pointless points at that.
Oem is the new full retail.
Oem is for consumer install as well.
You're a bit behind the times and kicking off when you don't k ow what you are talking abut, over pointless points at that.
Oem is the new full retail.
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So Microsoft are expensive. So don't buy the upgrade directly from Microsoft. A very quick google search shows the Upgrade edition available from a rather major retailer for <£60.
You're moaning for the sake of moaning.
ther's no windows 8 retail
oem is now like retail for windows 8. so as long as you buy the windows 8 either OEM or upgrade version you can still use even if you've upgraded your hardware including motherboard..
if you've bought a system which has windows 8 preinstalled then it's tied to that motherboard.
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Never really understood why win8 got so much hate. If it were because of something like missing shadow copy i might be able to understand it but its always the same things over and over which is simply not true if you sit down and learn the OS. Its just as easy and fast if not faster to multitask in Win 8, drivers are not an issue cause if its missing a specific win 8 driver you can always install a win 7 driver instead which will work 99% of the time and the start menu while taking up the entire screen(i can understand why this might be annoying for some) lets you access the apps you want faster than the old start menu simply because it is easier to customize what programs you want it to show instead of the old river of folders to sort through.
The lesson to be learned would be: Learn everything about the OS before you complain about its so called flaws, cause in most cases its a "PEBCAK" situation.
The lesson to be learned would be: Learn everything about the OS before you complain about its so called flaws, cause in most cases its a "PEBCAK" situation.
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I got it for £24.99 and its been the best os I have used
once I installed start 8
once I installed start 8
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I did the same thing after using the standard Franken-interface for a few weeks.