So that it's easier for the window lickers to manage to use? You'd have to be a bit of a Window Licker to struggle to use Windows 8 without having an over the top emotional response to the user interface.
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So that it's easier for the window lickers to manage to use? You'd have to be a bit of a Window Licker to struggle to use Windows 8 without having an over the top emotional response to the user interface.
If they did that we would be on XP forever with no change or progress,I hope Win9 does have a new Start menu something not seen before.
Not sure what to make of that odd comment,however maybe they should put a label on future operating systems ie "IQ above 10 needed" so if you can't handle Win8 without a mod stick to Win7 or a console.
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Change or progress is all fine and dandy, when it works. It's fair to say Windows 8, for the most part, hasn't worked.
The very fact MS are tucking their phallus between their legs and adding the start menu back in is testament to that.
Only because moaners moaning,end of the day no Windows OS including 8 is rocket science however you dress it up or try to find an excuse.
Not solely people moaning, more to do with the fact that people simply aren't interested. Bad PR, bad end user reviews (with moaning) and Windows 7 being more than adequate all add to Windows 8's problems.
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Some people find XP or 8 adequate,I could throw in Linux as well so all relative.
I'm going to throw my 2p in here.
Windows 8 is better than 7 at a functional level, and the inclusion of a start menu, while unnecessary for 99% of users, removes all argument to the contrary.
It doesn't need a start menu, but I'm not averse to it having one. I like organising my start screen into contextual groups without having to mess about creating folders, copying target links etc. All my overclocking/benching software is in one group, all my photography stuff in another. It's easier to customise than the start menu ever was, and it's more visually accessible. A quick flick of the scroll wheel lets me skim through these groups, and I can move the groups further to the left based on frequency of use to make them more quickly accessible. That's better than the start menu. People clinging to the start menu seem not to have bothered utilising it properly, or are afraid of even trying. Even basic users can group social media apps together, web browsers and websites for various moods, and more advanced users can group their industry-specific software to the tasks they routinely perform. And they can do it easily, quickly, and flexibly should they want to move things around.
While I think MUI can be improved for desktop users with more screen real-estate and different peripherals, I don't think that's an argument against it. Conversely, it shows that it has potential that has yet to be explored. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Windows 8 is better than 7 at a functional level, and the inclusion of a start menu, while unnecessary for 99% of users, removes all argument to the contrary.
It doesn't need a start menu, but I'm not averse to it having one. I like organising my start screen into contextual groups without having to mess about creating folders, copying target links etc. All my overclocking/benching software is in one group, all my photography stuff in another. It's easier to customise than the start menu ever was, and it's more visually accessible. A quick flick of the scroll wheel lets me skim through these groups, and I can move the groups further to the left based on frequency of use to make them more quickly accessible. That's better than the start menu. People clinging to the start menu seem not to have bothered utilising it properly, or are afraid of even trying. Even basic users can group social media apps together, web browsers and websites for various moods, and more advanced users can group their industry-specific software to the tasks they routinely perform. And they can do it easily, quickly, and flexibly should they want to move things around.
While I think MUI can be improved for desktop users with more screen real-estate and different peripherals, I don't think that's an argument against it. Conversely, it shows that it has potential that has yet to be explored. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Some people sure, not most.
I'd hazard a guess to say Microsoft aren't targeting existing Windows 8, or Linux users by adding the start menu back in.
Have to agree, it was madness on their part to not offer the choice. But of course, they know best... oh wait.
It ranks right up there with always on DRM
Not that it's particularly an issue to me anymore, I jumped ship a long time ago.
For the average user, I would disagree. If I had the choice to easily swap out the MUI for start when I first installed 8, I would have done it in a flash. Over a year later, I am hoping they won't force me to use their ancient start menu from the 90s. Sometimes you have to force people to try something new to get them to really see its benefits.
In the enterprise context, however, I agree that the start menu would have assuaged any doubts businesses had about whether they would need to retrain their employees (maybe an enterprise version with the start menu would have served the purpose of pushing the public to try something new while leaving a safe option for businesses?). Even though that type of user just puts everything (eeeeverything) on their desktop anyway. The start menu does open up the avenue for enterprise adoption, but I hope it isn't mandatory for home users.
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How long will it be before disgruntled Metrosexuals start demanding Stop8?
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Downloading a update 887.6 mb, must be it.
i think we view this with our skill sets and our age.
i work with a lot of older customers who need new computers and completely overwhelmed by the change from XP or 7 to windows8
I just feel it was to much of a change for a certain aged generation.
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But Win 8 is not an intelligent design it would seem, it is a perfectly good operating system with an dumbed down poorly concieved UI tacked on and forced upon the masses. Fortunately even MS has given up and seen the error of their ways and it's welcome, they need an OS people want to use and that enterprise will buy.
After you/kitch and the crew have defended it to the hilt you're left looking a little sheepish.
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That's my point,I've used DOS 6.22,Win3.11,Win95,98,2K,XP,Vista,Win7,Win8/8.1 and Linux distros over the decades ,no Windows is hard to use or requires any real training.
Win9 will be the same yet users will still moan about something,its not a case of me defending Win8 but have adapted (with ease)to every OS you can name since DOS days,end of the day they are all dead simple to use,I can say I'm ready for Win9,10 etc whatever they do, too bad I know a lot of users are not.
Don't worry I'm sure a similar debate will pop up with Win9,10 etc and I'll be accused of defending Win9,10,11 etc...Ironically I'm more of a Linux fan so that should tell you something.
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i don't think it'll happen now because all the moaning people will get they own way to get it changed back to the old boaring start menu...
whats funny is MS has gave up and is bring back the old style start menu but yet i still see people moaning about it because it has live titles. it's crazy.
has i said before if people had they way windows will never have a new look.
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I don't remember moans in the old DOS days but then you had to learn the OS and all the keyboard commands,no spoon feeding in those days.