windows 8 start menu is back

[linktoinsanity]

Meh, one more answer then.

Yup, still a good year and a quarter of support, they did it that way so companies wouldn't have to be changing their server and workstation O/S at the same time.

Ah good, well that makes sense, first thing you have posted that does so far.

Nope, because it doesn't work that way as logic/common sense should tell you, why do you think you have multiple people telling you you're wrong?

The "multiple people" you mention are the same few names which have tirelessly defended Windows 8 since release from any criticism, makes the views skewed and unreliable, plus I fail to see the "logic" that sales were high in the first 6 months and this means Windows 8 is a success (it's been out 19 months in total), yet it's "illogical" to use market share with other OSes, including Windows 7 and XP for some reason, when proportional market share does not support the fact that those "high" sales have continued.

In essence because the evidence in particular does not suit your argument (rather it blows it out of the water) you keep screaming that it's "illogical" to use this evidence and then you keep trying to compare it with films.

The difference between 7/8 is actually much smaller than Vista/7, however the speed difference between Vista/7 is in fact quite small, the "perceived" difference was simply due to 7 running better than Vista on the average computer because the average computer spec had improved in intervening years and continued to improve after 7's launch. Vista's sluggishness on it's "recommended" hardware was actually nowhere near as bad as XP's was, and 7 kept Vistas specs and due to some tweaks and the hardware improvements that had come with time it worked better. A machine that was unusable with Vista was just as unusable with 7.

Actually no. A machine with 1GB RAM can be perfectly useable with Windows 7, but slow with Vista. My brother's laptop was slower when running Vista, then he used the upgrade software to upgrade to 7 and his machine has 3GB RAM. Then there's the fact that UAC kept on repeatedly nagging you if you were sure you wanted to install that program you had already said yes to, which Windows 7 fixed, this would give a perceived productivity hit for workers as the interruptions would be more frequent.

The only thing you are right about is that Vista got the brunt of bad rap, due to the way it handles access rights and other changes which were incompatible with older programs and that on top of the speed decrease over XP it was given a (perhaps unfairly) bad reputation, which has stayed with it.

You mean factually correct, not misguided, they're different words.

Well done. You can see they are different words, but you're still wrong.

You shouldn't type to yourself, people may htink your mad.

Discussions like this make me think that it would be a better way to get an intelligent conversation.

 

[Minstadave]

I just wouldn't argue with anyone who thinks 8 has been a success. you're jot going to get anywhere.

 

[ubersonic]

The "multiple people" you mention are the same few names which have tirelessly defended Windows 8 since release from any criticism, makes the views skewed and unreliable

You realise when they tell you about the sales/market share relationship they are posting facts/explanations not their views/opinion right?

I fail to see the "logic" that sales were high in the first 6 months and this means Windows 8 is a success (it's been out 19 months in total).

Because it's sales have continued after 6 months.

yet it's "illogical" to use market share with other OSes, including Windows 7 and XP for some reason, when proportional market share does not support the fact that those "high" sales have continued.

It does support it though, it continues to sell well and gain market share while XP/Vista lose it. According to some sources 7 is also gaining, but not at the same rate as 8 (7 has gained just over 3% share in the last year compared to the 7+% 8 has gained), and 7's gains are coming because XP is losing share and a lot of those machines are being replaced by tablets, so if you remove a chunk from a slice (XP) of the pie then the other slices look bigger.

Actually no. A machine with 1GB RAM can be perfectly useable with Windows 7, but slow with Vista.

If your usage consists of just playing solitaire that maybe true, however for normal light usage (Internet, email, maybe some word) then the difference wouldn't be much and you would need them side by side to see it, both would appear sluggish/slow compared to a decent system.

 

[andshrew]

It would be interesting to know how many of those sold Windows 8 licenses are actually being used vs how many were downgraded to Windows 7 with downgrade rights.

 

[dmsims]

It would be interesting to know how many of those sold Windows 8 licenses are actually being used vs how many were downgraded to Windows 7 with downgrade rights.

Every single machine that I have supplied

For business 8 is a disaster/joke and what is really telling is that the moron who designed it is no longer on the team - justice!

 

[kitch9]

Every single machine that I have supplied

For business 8 is a disaster/joke and what is really telling is that the moron who designed it is no longer on the team - justice!

Depends if you run a connected office or not. Windows 8's main barrier is the IT department in the basement of most corporations all stroking their neckbeards in disgust that MS dared to change their precious and make it more accessible to the plebs upstairs who don't deserve any knowledge of the precious.

Seriously, Windows 8 for corporations is not hard. Install Windows 8, set the start and desktop up with what is relevant to the company remove all the other stuff, create an image and deploy it across the company giving users plain user accounts only. Same as it has always been done.

 

[mmj_uk]

Okay, your really not understanding this but I will try with a simply analogy: The new Captain America film just grossed $96 million in it's opening weekend making it the most successful film opening of all time. By comparison Daredevil which came out in 2003 has thus far grossed $431,881 in 11 years. By your logic Captain America has tanked.

A strong opening weekend means nothing if sales suddenly drop of a cliff, just because Captain America grossed $96m in one weekend doesn't guarantee it long term success, what if everybody who watched it hated it, word of mouth spread and then 11 years later it has still only grossed $150m? Daredevil would obviously be the most successful despite a slow start.

A lot of Microsoft's early sales would have been to OEM's expecting the new Windows to sell like hotcakes on their devices.

You've still not answered a simple question, if Windows 8 is as successful as you make out then why do Microsoft feel the need to correct it? why did they feel the need to add the start button in Windows 8.1? if it was infact doing well they could just stick two fingers up at everybody but their internal data/projections are obviously not looking good if they are backtracking.

 

[Tute]

Surely you would measure the success of an operating system against what proportion of the PC market it is installed on, EXCLUDING those PCs that come with it pre-bundled?

I mean it's unfair to compare say, Windows 7 to DOS in pure numbers as there are a lot more PCs around these days, so you would go on a percentage.

And it's hardly fair to count those PCs that come with it pre-installed, as Microsoft can then bundle it aggressively in order to skew the results?

 

[spoffle]

Surely you would measure the success of an operating system against what proportion of the PC market it is installed on, EXCLUDING those PCs that come with it pre-bundled?

I mean it's unfair to compare say, Windows 7 to DOS in pure numbers as there are a lot more PCs around these days, so you would go on a percentage.

And it's hardly fair to count those PCs that come with it pre-installed, as Microsoft can then bundle it aggressively in order to skew the results?

It depends, as marketshare isn't a constant, and if people are getting new PCs to run Windows 8 on, rather than upgrading existing PCs then the Windows 8 marketshare isn't going to be replacing anything already accounted for.

There's also quite a bit of misrepresentation going on here too, to say it hasn't tanked isn't the opposite of saying it's been mega successful, as it isn't a case of either or, there's a lot in between successful and tanked, but it certainly hasn't tanked, as something that moves 100 million copies cannot be considered to have tanked, it just doesn't work that way.

The same way you don't claim OSX has tanked because it has low marketshare, as it just doesn't work that way.

 

[_Jimlad_]

this is great news,

metro with a mouse - great idea!

 

[Matteysan]

this is great news,

metro with a mouse - great idea!

Now tell me what is wrong with metro & a mouse, I certainly have no problems with it ?

 

[Elevon]

Now tell me what is wrong with metro & a mouse, I certainly have no problems with it ?

I have been using Metro and mouse since Win8 beta,no issues at all on my desktop PC,however looking forward to what FUD and excuses will pop up on Win9 with some users lol ,now where is my pop corn .

 

[_Jimlad_]

Now tell me what is wrong with metro & a mouse, I certainly have no problems with it ?

You scroll up and down and it goes left and right?

Don't get me wrong I like it on a surface or a phone but by god does it suck on a desktop PC. Big icons and a presion mouse... Not me and thank God MS listened to the millions of unhappy desktop users.

You may like it but you are in the minnoirty.

 

[Elevon]

You scroll up and down and it goes left and right?

Don't get me wrong I like it on a surface or a phone but by god does it suck on a desktop PC. Big icons and a presion mouse... Not me and thank God MS listened to the millions of unhappy desktop users.

You may like it but you are in the minnoirty.

I think it was designed that way which makes sense since when you add columns,tiles it goes across screen as it fills up,regardless dead easy to use Metro Start with mouse,unless I've some unknown graduate degree in mouse usage that you guys don't have .

 

[_Jimlad_]

it's just crud though, that is what most people think anyway, i have start8 which gives me all the best bits,

glad it's back as i have a few elderly customers and windows8 is to much of a jump for them

All i ever wanted was a choice.

 

[Elevon]

it's just crud though, that is what most people think anyway, i have start8 which gives me all the best bits,

glad it's back as i have a few elderly customers and windows8 is to much of a jump for them

All i ever wanted was a choice.

That's the problem almost twenty years of doing something the same way,hard for some users to change.

I would like to see something new in Win9 however Start menu wise,but guess that would be too much for a lot of users,sad in a way.

 

[_Jimlad_]

I agree. I would like to see options, taking choice away is silly. I am sure you can agree that people of a certain age way not want to relearn. Rightly or wrongly. The likes of start8 proved it was easy to add. Why alienate customers. I reckon about 20% of my customers jumped ship to apple. It was enough to push them over.

 

[Minstadave]

That's the problem almost twenty years of doing something the same way,hard for some users to change.

I would like to see something new in Win9 however Start menu wise,but guess that would be too much for a lot of users,sad in a way.

Maybe it should be designed primarily for people to lick the screen to navigate? Designing it to the lowest common denominator went well.

 

[McBain]

You can't please everyone out there,regardless Win9 is not far off so I'm not bothered either way.

I'm looking forward to the new moans on Win9,got my front seat booked aready .

Perhaps if MS listen to their customer base to begin with, they won't get nearly as many moaners.

 

[kitch9]

You scroll up and down and it goes left and right?

Don't get me wrong I like it on a surface or a phone but by god does it suck on a desktop PC. Big icons and a presion mouse... Not me and thank God MS listened to the millions of unhappy desktop users.

You may like it but you are in the minnoirty.

Oooh, get the pitchforks out.