Winter Transfer window 24/25

Shamikebab · 2025-02-03T14:18:28+0000

That he rejected a transfer but accepted a loan? I assume Spurs are paying a hefty fee if Bayern have accepted

C Kent · 2025-02-03T14:23:11+0000

Was initially reported bayern wanted any loan with an obligation to buy, seems spuds cracked whereas others didn't - quite surprising as the other clubs involved usually pay way over the odds :cry:

postbox · 2025-02-03T14:27:27+0000

We've got him until June, and he wants to play for Bayern so no wonder he turned every club down - if he's good enough he'll have to put in a shift to make it

the wopster · 2025-02-03T14:28:12+0000

C Kent said:
Was initially reported bayern wanted any loan with an obligation to buy, seems spuds cracked whereas others didn't - quite surprising as the other clubs involved usually pay way over the odds

Brexit Jim is now at the helm, the days of overpaying for players are gone apparently, they will now prefer to be mid table also rans that can’t offload their dross.

C Kent · 2025-02-03T14:32:08+0000

the wopster said:
Brexit Jim is now at the helm, the days of overpaying for players are gone apparently, they will now prefer to be mid table also rans that can’t offload their dross.

Apart from the 30 million on a 20 year old 'wing back' that has around half his (50 odd) senior appearances as a defender?

the wopster · 2025-02-03T14:36:47+0000

C Kent said:
Apart from the 30 million on a 20 year old 'wing back' that has around half his (50 odd) senior appearances as a defender?

Best in class, Golden Boy finalists, I will have you know.

BaZ87 · 2025-02-03T14:40:41+0000

Ok, enough of this now.

the wopster · 2025-02-03T14:44:22+0000

Christ how many midfielders do Chelsea need

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886423413905887346

The_One · 2025-02-03T14:51:31+0000

No one else wanted him so hes now going spurs after already rejecting them?

Tel reminds me of odenwingie

Robbo · 2025-02-03T14:52:04+0000

Joking aside, Tel wanted to join Man Utd on loan but Bayern were insisting on an obligation to buy and that's why it fell through. Too risky.

Spurs must have agreed something else.

I'd rather we tried to get an actual striker though...

Shamikebab · 2025-02-03T14:56:55+0000

I do like what I've seen of Tel but I'm not convinced he would have improved us that much. He's mostly played off the left so would have offered rotation with Garnacho. He's not played much this season either so no idea how match sharp he would be.

BaZ87 · 2025-02-03T15:08:39+0000

Given the state of Utd's attack, I think I could improve you so to suggest that Tel, who just yesterday was one of the best up and coming players around, wouldn't is some stretch.

bingham67 · 2025-02-03T15:10:12+0000

Cant be worse then Timo Werner for Spurs :cry:

Shamikebab · 2025-02-03T15:10:28+0000

BaZ87 said:
Given the state of Utd's attack, I think I could improve you so to suggest that Tel, who just yesterday was one of the best up and coming players around, wouldn't is some stretch.

Up and coming is the key though. We've got plenty of those. I don't think you really want a young player who might be world class in 2-3 years on a 6 month loan with no option to buy him.

spudbynight · 2025-02-03T15:10:36+0000

BaZ87 said:
I'm not convinced. You always get exaggerated stories, if not completely untrue ones around transfer deadlines and I think this one falls into that category. £70m buys you most CB's in the world and many better than Guehi.

Anyway it's being reported that Tel is going to join Spurs. I assume that means he rejected both Arsenal and Utd.

It doesn't buy you an English CB at that level or probably a home grown one. For an English club that commands a premium. Harry Maguire wasn't worth £80m in 2019. Domestic players attract a premium, I agree these players are not objectively worth it, but it is what it is.

BaZ87 · 2025-02-03T15:27:33+0000

Shamikebab said:
Up and coming is the key though. We've got plenty of those. I don't think you really want a young player who might be world class in 2-3 years on a 6 month loan with no option to buy him.

I'm struggling with this post. We know that Bayern have been open to both a loan and a full sale because Spurs have had offers for both seemingly accepted. It's therefore very hard to see a scenario where Bayern wouldn't have entertained a loan with an option. I also don't buy the "we've got plenty" argument either. Your forwards are mostly rubbish.

I think it's pretty clear that Utd wanted him and you can see why given the state of your squad. For one reason or another he looks to be going to Spurs though. Now, as you've said, it could simply be a case that Spurs have been willing to pay a bigger loan fee than others were willing however that's a bit shameless from you considering what you were saying just yesterday in relation to Yoro and Real.

spudbynight said:
It doesn't buy you an English CB at that level or probably a home grown one. For an English club that commands a premium. Harry Maguire wasn't worth £80m in 2019. Domestic players attract a premium, I agree these players are not objectively worth it, but it is what it is.

I've nothing but respect for Palace taking anyone's pants down if they have genuinely bid that much but I find it hard to believe that a club notoriously conservative as Spurs have been willing to offer such an inflated fee for Guehi. Had it been Utd then it would been perfectly believable. Who knows though.

Shamikebab · 2025-02-03T15:30:05+0000

BaZ87 said:
I'm struggling with this post. We know that Bayern have been open to both a loan and a full sale because Spurs have had offers for both seemingly accepted. It's therefore very hard to see a scenario where Bayern wouldn't have entertained a loan with an option. I also don't buy the "we've got plenty" argument either. Your forwards are mostly rubbish.

I think it's pretty clear that Utd wanted him and you can see why given the state of your squad. For one reason or another he looks to be going to Spurs though. Now, as you've said, it could simply be a case that Spurs have been willing to pay a bigger loan fee than others were willing however that's a bit shameless from you considering what you were saying just yesterday in relation to Yoro and Real.

And yet if Garnacho was at Bayern you'd probably say he was a great youngster who would definitely improve us. If they were happy with a loan with an option then why wouldn't we have accepted it? Either they didn't want it or they wanted a huge signing on fee to go with it like Chelsea got with Joao Felix when several people wanted us to take him on loan.

BaZ87 · 2025-02-03T15:37:58+0000

Shamikebab said:
And yet if Garnacho was at Bayern you'd probably say he was a great youngster who would definitely improve us. If they were happy with a loan with an option then why wouldn't we have accepted it? Either they didn't want it or they wanted a huge signing on fee to go with it like Chelsea got with Joao Felix when several people wanted us to take him on loan.

I wouldn't because I don't watch Bayern very often, which is why I've not commented on Tel beyond using your description of him.

And I'm not too sure the relevance of your question. I've said that Spurs offering more than others is one possible reason why he's chose to join them but I know based on your previous comments re Yoro & Real/Utd, that you don't accept that. Based on what you were saying yesterday, it shows Spurs pull that players are rejecting other clubs to join them. Now to be clear I don't believe that, I think it's nonsense but likewise your argument yesterday on why Yoro ended up at Utd was too.

Shamikebab · 2025-02-03T15:40:09+0000

BaZ87 said:
I wouldn't because I don't watch Bayern very often, which is why I've not commented on Tel beyond using your description of him.

And I'm not too sure the relevance of your question. I've said that Spurs offering more than others is one possible reason why he's chose to join them but I know based on your previous comments re Yoro & Real/Utd, that you don't accept that. Based on what you were saying yesterday, it shows Spurs pull that players are rejecting other clubs to join them. Now to be clear I don't believe that, I think it's nonsense but likewise your argument yesterday on why Yoro ended up at Utd was too.

Wait who rejected other clubs to join Spurs? And how are Spurs offering more to the player?

BaZ87 · 2025-02-03T15:44:59+0000

Shamikebab said:
Wait who rejected other clubs to join Spurs? And how are Spurs offering more to the player?

I can see why it's hard to follow given how your stance has changed in the past 24 hours.

According to you, Utd showed their pull with players by beating other top clubs to the signing of Yoro and the reports that Tel wanted to join you. When others pointed out that Real weren't willing to pay anything like what Utd paid for Yoro (they wanted him on a free this summer iirc) you dismissed the argument and said Yoro could have just rejected Utd if that was the case. Fast forward 24 hours and Tel is now joining Spurs and your first reply is 'well Spurs must have paid a hefty fee'. There a clear inconsistency in how you see Utd signing players and players signing for other clubs.

I think in the case of both players, certainly Yoro (we don't have enough info on Tel yet), that Utd fended off interest from other clubs by paying well in excess of what others were willing, giving Yoro one choice. It's very possible that will prove to be the case here too.