Oh dear lord I missed that. @Blackjack Davy That is a really bad comparison.
Woke Judges?
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The correct term is straw man.
Soldato
Sounds like a good thing to believe in if you get rid of the fringe group - anti-free speech.
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I don't know if I'd associate this with the term 'Woke'. But I did read that BBC article and it's pretty clear that the Judge shouldn't have been anywhere near this case (or any).
Who judges the Judges?
Who judges the Judges?
Soldato
As someone else alluded to you do have Twitter brain rot.
The "Paraglider girls" received a 12-month conditional discharge for carrying or displaying an article in a public place in such a way as to arouse reasonable suspicion that they were supporting Hamas. They werent funding Hamas, didnt have pro hamas videos or literature, it was a very distasteful thing they did during a protest. The way you and this right leaning Harcore Tory talk about it you would think they are directly sending funs to Hamas.
The Police officers who were "unjustly punished" were sending racist, sexist and homophobic messages on WhatsApp and all fo these things are understandably illegal. Not only that, police, even retired ones are quite rightly held at a higher standard than you and I as their actions reflect the force/institution.
Regarding Sarah Jane Baker the Trans activist (and career criminal it seems from looking at the history) they were arrested on 12 July for incitement for violence and returned to jail as they breached their bail terms. They're still in Prison to this day, so i dont know if you want to put them in mega prison because normal prison isnt enough? While what was said is inflamatory its not much difference than saying "kill the paedos".
The long and short of it, is everyone in this post had a consequence for their actions and you and this "journalist" just dont like the outcome and engage in a bit of a outrage baiting. When he describes himself as a Tory "Freelance journalist" and co-host of Modern Dissent, a London talk series challenging established ideas this tells you all you need to know about him. Hes no better than all the other twitter "journalists" who also have things in their profiles like "Truth Seeker" and "Challenging the establishment". He writes for "Spiked?" which seems to be an unpopular less journalistic version of the daily mail which i didnt think was possible.
Edit: One thing i will asay though is the Judge should have recused himself from the paraglider girls case. Also what Hamas did to israel is terorism but what Israel has done to Gaza and has been doing for many many years now is genocide and a war crime.
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Soldato
Some may read your post and given the tone, interpret it as you being anti-diversity/equity, anti-trans, anti-immigration, pro free speech, pro-colonial and pro-racism?
Complaints are handled by The Judicial Conduct Investigations Office.
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Indeed, I'm pro-equality, I'm pro-women's rights, I believe in immigration only on the basis of national need, I'm pro-free speech even if people have to hear things that offend them, I don't believe in beating ourselves up over things that happened hundred of years ago and holding ourselves to unrealistic standards and I'm anti-identarianism where immutable characteristics are more important than character.
Perhaps you have woke brain rot?
No, no one is implying anything about the funding of Hamas, it's the denial that they were supporting Hamas by the Judge (support as in football supporter not sending money by way or material support) but the apparent contradiction with the reason the CPS bought the case, his finding that (contrary to their defence) it wasn't a symbol of freedom, and ultimately his verdict.
Ergo his apparent wokeness and his dubious "like" of that LinkedIn post don't look good re: a possible lack of impartiality here given he was quite happy to dish out punishment for offensive speech previously.
What are you even quoting there re: "unjustly punished"? While I think aspects of that are objectionable the point there (relevant to this thread) is that he was happy to punish over offensive speech/communications.
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Soldato
I'd be interested in seeing the legislation that makes this illegal? Plenty of comedians make sexist jokes very publicly (racist and homophobic not so much), and as far as I'm aware don't get arrested and sent to prison for it.
I don't think the judge in question is necessarily particularly "woke", but definitely biased, and shouldn't have been allowed to judge on this case, given his obvious support for one side of the conflict the protest was about.
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Is "Punch a TERF" free speach or inciting hatred though?
Also given your post you seem "pro equality but some are more equal than others?" It almost reads straight out of Animal Farm by George Orwell
Judges plural? Or Judge?
Thread title seems to suggest there is an endemic problem in the legal system, however this seems to focus on the actions of a single judge.
Also woke is a stupid term used by people who like to group everything they don't like about the world into a single syllable word.
Thread title seems to suggest there is an endemic problem in the legal system, however this seems to focus on the actions of a single judge.
Also woke is a stupid term used by people who like to group everything they don't like about the world into a single syllable word.
Actually I think we do now have legislation against this (I think it is section 127 of the communication acts), which is why people are getting arrested for Twitter posts in this country.
A sad state of affairs.
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There's a distinction between communications and live performances for example, see the comedian/YouTuber convicted for turning his girlfriend's Pug into a "Nazi" (the joke being the cute dog was turned into the worst thing possible, not an endorsement of the nazis).
While he could be convicted under the Communications Act another comedian showed the video as part of a live performance in London and there's not crime in that case. (Arguably there is no crime in the original case as the live performance in London was, in part, to demonstrate the obvious comedy aspect of the video).
In this case there it wasn't electronic communications that were the issue but terror offences, Hamas is a proscribed group so showing support for them on clothing is an issue whereas some lunatic would maybe be fine to wear a t-shirt supporting the murderer Raoul Moat.
What's odd here though is the simultaneous conviction but also the finding that they weren't supporting Hamas and then the lack of punishment.
Soldato
Re the brain rot... great comeback. 10/10
The problem with the glider pictures is, while yes is distastful and they knew what they were doing, they were still prosecuted for it and received a 12-month conditional discharge so i dont know what you want? To hang them in prison as punishment? As per my edit i added before you replied "One thing i will asay though is the Judge should have recused himself from the paraglider girls case"
Regarding the police officers, the fact that twitter nobhead was crying about the police officers being prosecuted and you then quoting his crying in assuming both you and him are aligned with the take that they were "unjustly punished" which is the theme i get from all of his crying about it.
Yeah, that's totally what I've called for.
Your previous post talked about funding of Hamas, you threw in some made-up quote and now I want them to be hung?
Why not go back and read what was said then respond to that.
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On the one hand you've got a a journalist who hasn't actually heard anything much about the cases and certainly hasn't seen the evidence, on the other hand you've got a judge who has seen all the evidence and circumstances and understands the law.
Now I don't know which one i'd trust to get it right, I mean you've got someone who is farming anger and indignation to make money or you've got someone who is actually doing a job following the law with their career on the line if they get it wrong and has to be able to explain their reasoning to other judges...
In the case of the ex police officers, their actions were taking place over years, which in the eyes of the law makes it much more serious than a single day or moment (repeated offences over a prolonged period). It's also worth noting that given that one of them had an illegal weapon there is certainly more to it than what the "Twitter journalist" is saying.
Now I don't know which one i'd trust to get it right, I mean you've got someone who is farming anger and indignation to make money or you've got someone who is actually doing a job following the law with their career on the line if they get it wrong and has to be able to explain their reasoning to other judges...
In the case of the ex police officers, their actions were taking place over years, which in the eyes of the law makes it much more serious than a single day or moment (repeated offences over a prolonged period). It's also worth noting that given that one of them had an illegal weapon there is certainly more to it than what the "Twitter journalist" is saying.
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The EU boogeyman doesn't sell papers to morons and deflect attention from the **** state the country is in as effectively anymore, so the right-wing press dredged up political correctness and put a new hat on it and started making weak minded people afraid again. Gotta have that victim mentality.
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I fail to see how you come to that conclusion. Diversity and Equity are explicitly "some are more equal than others", which is not what equality means. Accusing me of Animal Farm feels highly hypocritical.
With regard to a convicted criminal inciting people to violence, that depending on the circumstance is a clear breach of the law.
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Ahh yes the quote i quoted in the part about Hamas and paraglider girls. The part that doesnt have any direct quotes other than what they were charged with.
The only thing i did quote related to them is.... my own words.... saying i think the judge should have recused himself from that case.
You got me son......im on the ropes
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