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Do you reckon they'd get even cheaper then?!
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Wolfdale Ramblings. . .
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Do you reckon they'd get even cheaper then?!
Not much rambling going on here, guess this thread was a little late! 
I just saw a picture of the new 'slimline' stock cooler for the Wolfdales, interesting that INTEL have reduced its size? I wonder is this a cost saving incentive?
I also read some posts where people are suprised how hot these chips run once you start overclocking, isn't that a side effect of the chips being produced on a smaller micron, less space inside and everything cramped up?
I just saw a picture of the new 'slimline' stock cooler for the Wolfdales, interesting that INTEL have reduced its size? I wonder is this a cost saving incentive?
I also read some posts where people are suprised how hot these chips run once you start overclocking, isn't that a side effect of the chips being produced on a smaller micron, less space inside and everything cramped up?
I love the picture in the first post.
Also forget about the price of the older chips, it feels bad if you paid a lot for something and 1 year later find it half price, besides if the price don't drop intel have still made their money.
Also forget about the price of the older chips, it feels bad if you paid a lot for something and 1 year later find it half price, besides if the price don't drop intel have still made their money.
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Not much rambling going on here, guess this thread was a little late!
I just saw a picture of the new 'slimline' stock cooler for the Wolfdales, interesting that INTEL have reduced its size? I wonder is this a cost saving incentive?
I also read some posts where people are suprised how hot these chips run once you start overclocking, isn't that a side effect of the chips being produced on a smaller micron, less space inside and everything cramped up?
ALl the bloomin rambling and arguing is in the official wolfdale overclocking thread......
Funnily enough I was just reading about the new (Yorkfield?) Quads, they slapped two Wolf's together right? and a big fat 12MB cache, they look awesome for the folks who dabble in Video Editing and 3D-Rendering!
Question is, can a new Yorkfield Quad core at 3200MHz-3600MHz compete with an older Kentsfield Quad clocked at 3600MHz-4000MHz?
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Intel make their better, newer products cheaper because they are smart. They know how to push new tech. Unlike some companies, they're really good at that.
They want to push new technology. This is made far easier if they don't have to compete against their own products. Think about it, they don't want their older products to look good in the face of their new stuff, especially if someone who has an older motherboard is thinking about an upgrade! Remember, this is all about making money. They aren't on the warpath trying to destroy all in their way, they aren't actively trying to rip us consumers off, they just want to take our cash, and if they can sweeten the deal to make us all the more willing, then all the better for both of us!
Then there's Mr. OEM, he may have to order a bunch of new motherboards to fill an order with these new CPUs if their old stock isn't compatible.
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Another advantage for companies like Intel doing business like this is that when they replace older products with newer, better value products, they get a greater boost in sales than if they had merely replaced the products with similar performing parts. If they just did the same-for-same sort of dealy, parts would just carry on selling as normal, and they wouldn't really get that much out of the new release.
They want to push new technology. This is made far easier if they don't have to compete against their own products. Think about it, they don't want their older products to look good in the face of their new stuff, especially if someone who has an older motherboard is thinking about an upgrade! Remember, this is all about making money. They aren't on the warpath trying to destroy all in their way, they aren't actively trying to rip us consumers off, they just want to take our cash, and if they can sweeten the deal to make us all the more willing, then all the better for both of us!
Then there's Mr. OEM, he may have to order a bunch of new motherboards to fill an order with these new CPUs if their old stock isn't compatible.
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Another advantage for companies like Intel doing business like this is that when they replace older products with newer, better value products, they get a greater boost in sales than if they had merely replaced the products with similar performing parts. If they just did the same-for-same sort of dealy, parts would just carry on selling as normal, and they wouldn't really get that much out of the new release.
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so whats the difference between 'wolfdale' and 'conroe' (im thinking along the lines of compatability) will any board that can take a conroe be ok with a wolfdale???
EDIT: also does any1 know the pwoer usage of the wolfdale... or the conroe???
EDIT: also does any1 know the pwoer usage of the wolfdale... or the conroe???
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Conroe is 65nm manufacturing process and has up to 4MB of cache. Wolfdale is 45nm manufacturing process, has up to 6MB cache, supports SSE4 and has a few other performance tweaks. Wolfdale chips run at a lower voltage than Conroe because of the smaller manufacturing process.
Generally all boards that support Conroe should be capable of supporting Wolfdale, but that depends on whether the motherboard manufacturers can be bothered to release a BIOS update for it. Some boards will POST with a Wolfdale chip in even without the proper BIOS support, some won't.
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Of course it will...
My Geil would do 530 @ 5-5-5-15 timings, just up the vdimm to 2.2 - 2.3
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Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 LGA775 'Wolfdale' 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail
OcUK Value IP35 Pro Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
thinking about buying these 2, after reading the mobo spec it talks about the new wolfdale chip so now i know its easy compatable, one thing ill be using 2 gb of 667 ram on this board since i already have it in this PC and dont want to spend too much
just wondering.... will this have any 'negative' effect of the CPU at all... i dont overclock but read stuff on here all the time about the importance of ram timings and ratio's n stuff, so will this effect me at all????
OcUK Value IP35 Pro Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
thinking about buying these 2, after reading the mobo spec it talks about the new wolfdale chip so now i know its easy compatable, one thing ill be using 2 gb of 667 ram on this board since i already have it in this PC and dont want to spend too much
just wondering.... will this have any 'negative' effect of the CPU at all... i dont overclock but read stuff on here all the time about the importance of ram timings and ratio's n stuff, so will this effect me at all????
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It won't have any affect at all. Your memory would be running at 333MHz (667 due to DDR), the same as the FSB.
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Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 LGA775 'Wolfdale' 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail
OcUK Value IP35 Pro Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
thinking about buying these 2, after reading the mobo spec it talks about the new wolfdale chip so now i know its easy compatable, one thing ill be using 2 gb of 667 ram on this board since i already have it in this PC and dont want to spend too much
If, as you say, you don't overclock, then it's a good, cost effective fit - board, CPU and RAM all will run at stock 333FSB. If you ever change your mind about overclocking, you probably won't get very far.
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Is a 8400 worth getting over a quad? Bearing in mind im still on a E6400.
I would probably clock the 8400 to around 3.4-3.6 if thats achiveable on a AC7
I would probably clock the 8400 to around 3.4-3.6 if thats achiveable on a AC7
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