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Workaround: FreeSync on nVidia GPUs
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This isn't true.
1080ti uses a 1.4 Display port for example.
Adaptive sync could exist on the monitor and the GPU have a Display port with the necessary optional components. But unless there's something GPU side it won't work. It doesn't "just work".
Then they are using non-standard ports as DP1.4 should support adaptivesync.
It means Nvidia actually invested time and money to stop you using it. Says it all really lol
Anyway, you can buy a Vega64 for £50 cheaper than a 1080 now and it will outperform it (even before the gimping). So suddenly it looks like a bargain, especially if your in the market for a new monitor as well.
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Adaptive sync isn't mandatory, not that it matters. You still need something GPU side or it doesn't work. It's not plug and play.
Or else you'd be saying any monitor that's got X or Y DP version is adaptive sync capable which isn't true.
It is something that keeps coming up hah - there is no current or currently planned connection standard that has adaptive sync/VRR support as a mandatory feature that includes HDMI 2.1 as per the current master compliance test.
Despite claims otherwise there is no requirement to support adaptive sync in the 1.4 standard and no additional work required to "remove" that feature it simply isn't implemented in the first place and actually saves a little (insignificantly) on development.
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It's frustrating that people invent their own reality and then project that as fact.
Your point is that this bad for AMD and AMD are going to be annoyed because of this hack. I am saying that AMD won't be annoyed, in fact, it will annoy Nvidia more. People using AMD's APU's to connect Nvidia GPUs to a Freesync monitor is great for AMD. It's one less person buying a Gsync monitor, one less person getting locked into the Nvidia Ecosystem. Plus, it also increases AMD's mindshare, because when people say Freesync monitors, they really mean Adaptive sync monitors. And Freesync is AMD.
Now with this hack, people who are currently using Nvidia GPUs don't have to buy Gsync monitors, they can get Freesync monitors and the next time they are buying a GPU, they might decide to go AMD. Whereas they never would have gone AMD if they had a Gsync monitor.
So, no, this won't peeve AMD off at all. Nvidia are more likely to be annoyed with this.
The frame copy takes just 1ms. You would be hard pressed to detect that.
I’d be surprised if there is much difference between G-Sync and Adaptive Sync from a GPU workload point of view. In which case I would imagine this could be enabled with a firmware and driver update.
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Agreed
"Freesync" is an AMD trademark so if people start buying freesync monitors to run Nvidia cards on, they aren't going to be unhappy about it.
Funny thing is to stop people doing this might require AMD to block it via their drivers. That should get interesting. I think AMD should release a GPU selector tool just to rub it in.
Funny thing is to stop people doing this might require AMD to block it via their drivers. That should get interesting. I think AMD should release a GPU selector tool just to rub it in.
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But they are not Freesync monitors. They are DisplayPort Adaptive Sync monitors which are compatible with Freesync. Freesync is just the marketing term for the bit that happens in the driver. AMD's smart move was that they made Freesync royalty-free so that they can get their brand onto monitor spec sheets.
G-Sync on laptops just uses the same VESA Adaptive Sync standard without need of a dedicated module. So Nvidia can, and are already, doing this.
Yes, we all know this. What does it have to do with the sentence you quoted? Monitors aren't advertised as "adaptive sync compatible", they're advertised as "FreeSync compatible", which is good for AMD for all the reasons stated by melmac.
Well I beg to differ. AMD have very little to offer in the high end, so running a NVidia GPU with a freesync monitor is a massive plus for NVidia and a kick to AMD.
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This is my view.
It's lost sales for AMD. It doesn't even need to be at the high end, it just means that anytime a pro for buying an AMD card over an Nvidia card was freesync, that pro no longer applies.
Instead of waiting for the Vega 64 to launch and then reach reasonable prices, I'd have just bought a 1080. It's logical to assume I'm not alone in this.
You're entitled to your opinion, but it is factually incorrect, AMD want Nvidia and Intel to adopt adaptive sync so there's one industry wide standard, they have made this very clear. The only ones fuming at this workaround (until they block it via a driver update) is Nvidia, just like they were when people found a workaround to use their cards as standalone PhysX cards with non-Nvidia GPUs (which they also blocked via a driver update).
How is your opinion any different to mine? I gave reasoning, you gave reasoning and that is that. You can put factually incorrect but unless there is an NVidia and an AMD employee saying this or that, you have no facts.
I also see it as logical and like you say, doesn't even need to be a high end GPU. Any VRR monitor working with NVidia is a potential lost sale for AMD.
Best thing iw read here for some time.
Well, not to sound like a ****, but it's because I wasn't voicing an opinion merely pointing out some facts. AMD have been trying to get other companies to adopt Freesync for years (like with Mantle before that), they aren't going to randomly get upset about it becoming available on Nvidia via exploits.
Seriously that's like saying the USA would be upset if North Korea gave up it's nukes and surrendered to the South lol.
No it's not. You think Nvidia are happy about this? For every Nvidia GPU owner that uses this hack, they lose a sale of a Gsync monitor. They lose one more person tied into their system. You can beg to differ all you want, but your original comment still makes no sense. Adaptive Sync is an open standard, getting peeved about other companies using an open standard is silly.
It's only Nvidia who will be upset with this as they stand to lose the most.