Worlds longest tunnel

[Outcast]

I see that all the EU heads will be riding on the inaugural journey.


How.... Tempting.

Pleases Daesh.. Do something right

 

[Freefaller]

Tl;dr: He agrees

Joking aside, it's good to see someone else understand the impact/cost implication of a large project like this.

 

[xs2man]

Most of that news story is something the UK could only dream of achieving. Imagine taking a million lorries a year off our roads

HS2 current budget at £42.6b

I strongly suspect HS2 is more than 35km though. What is the price comparison between HS2 and this tunnel, per km?

Exactly - all the stuff in the way versus one mountain. Which effectively means that for tunneling purposes there was nothing in the way. Tunneling through a mountain is different to tunneling under cities etc.




But this isn't because they went 2.3km below the surface so much as because the mountain is 10,000 feet tall!



It took TWENTY YEARS!

Isn't it sad that this is a thread where we all just knock our own country with rubbish hyperbole and no real understanding instead of praising the achievements of others?

Agreed. No actual thought seemed to go into many of the comments.

Great tunnel project. I love it.

To the people comparing it to HS2: I laugh at the people slating HS2. Once you begin to understand what's involved, you'll soon realise what we're planning to do is huge.

Yes. It seems a far larger project than this Swiss tunnel anyway. With far more complicated moving parts to try and manage too.

 

[Ricochet J]

Joking aside, it's good to see someone else understand the impact/cost implication of a large project like this.

It might be because I'm an engineer. I appreciate large infrastructure projects.

Obviously I don't want to sound condescending and suggest non engineers don't appreciate the impact/cost implication of a large project like this - but I can't phrase myself any other way.

 

[Freefaller]

It might be because I'm an engineer. I appreciate large infrastructure projects.

Obviously I don't want to sound condescending and suggest non engineers don't appreciate the impact/cost implication of a large project like this - but I can't phrase myself any other way.

Also having had the advantage of working in large infrastructure projects you soon get to realise the cost implication. It really is on another scale that a lot of people don't realise.

When people talk of £million IT projects, it really is small fry. Working in Project/Programme management (ex-engineer!) has made me completely appreciate a different understanding of this sort of scale of projects.

 

[Buffman]

Including all the expensive governance on large projects?

Thing is most the cost goes to salaried people so will inevitably get taxed, then they'll pay their salary back into the economy etc. Good job overall!

 

[godinman]

Your mum?

 

[muon]

Crossrail has way more stations. Stations are expensive. Think about the surface access you have to provide as well everything that goes with heavy footfall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel#Specifications

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossrail#/media/File:CrossrailLine1Map.svg

 

[Freefaller]

Only the new stations are expensive. The existing ones are minimal in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Gabbatek]

digging

 

[Cosimo]

 

[muon]

Only the new stations are expensive. The existing ones are minimal in the grand scheme of things.

Minimal?

Have you seen how Tottenham Court Road and Liverpool Street station are changing? The stations are being made significantly larger and the new stuff going in isn't cheap.

Here is the full list of stations with photos.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/stations/

The you have new stations like Canary Wharf which are very expensive.

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/stations/canary-wharf/

 

[Freefaller]

They're new stations.

Did you read what I said?

 

[muon]

They're new stations.

Did you read what I said?

Well Canary Wharf definitely is getting a new station built.

I picked Liverpool Street and Tottenham Court Road as examples of existing stations which are expanding so massively, they may as well be new.

I did read what you said. It's a comment with no real research or understanding of what is being done. Developing existing stations isn't minimal. I would be surprised if some of the redeveloments are more expensive than some of the newer ones.

edit:

Unless you are classing these stations as new? In which case that would add up to quite a few.

 

[Freefaller]

I do know a little about the project there are 10 new stations.

I'm just suggesting that the new stations are more costly than the outlying stations. And you've quite rightly ageed. Well done. I'm not suggesting the upgrade works are irrelevant but in the grand scheme of things they are less expensive.

 

[ianh]

Came in looking for pics of OP's mums love tunnel, left disappoint - 0/10 would not read again