Worsening Issue - loosing my mind trying to resolve

I've seen laptops get firmware updates pushed to them through Windows Update, including the likes of HP and Dell, but they're usually optional updates.
 
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Right so my mates just left and his gpu also did not work, so we are certain it's motherboard. I have reflashed again too but no luck, it just doss not want to work.

So now I have a choice, do I change my motherboard out (unsure on AM4 options that have the expansion space I neee) or do I bite a bullet and do a CPU, mobo and DDR5 upgrade?

The expansion room btw is because I have a pcie capture card in the pc but it has to sit on the lowest pcie slot. The gpu goes over the ones above.
 
MouthBoy said:
Right so my mates just left and his gpu also did not work, so we are certain it's motherboard. I have reflashed again too but no luck, it just doss not want to work.

So now I have a choice, do I change my motherboard out (unsure on AM4 options that have the expansion space I neee) or do I bite a bullet and do a CPU, mobo and DDR5 upgrade?

The expansion room btw is because I have a pcie capture card in the pc but it has to sit on the lowest pcie slot. The gpu goes over the ones above.
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It really depends on your needs if the 3900x is holding up then I would drop a cheap b550 motherboard in there unless you need an x570 and what that brings..

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therealdippy said:
I find it hard to believe that the BIOS would have been updating automatically. According to the motherboard manual it can either be done from the OS with the "EZ Update" utility or from within the BIOS GUI.
BIOS can be corrupted. It has happened to me. This can cause the problems that the OP detailed.

Obviously if it's now so bad that the VGA won't work then there are few options. However the manual does describe "CrashFree BIOS 3" for BIOS recovery. If the recovery BIOS can be put on a USB memory stick then it might initiate recovery and maybe the recovered BIOS might allow the VGA to work.
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Agreed.
I can't honestly see how it could update itself without you at least running the "supporting" software in Windows.
 
MouthBoy said:
Right so my mates just left and his gpu also did not work, so we are certain it's motherboard. I have reflashed again too but no luck, it just doss not want to work.

So now I have a choice, do I change my motherboard out (unsure on AM4 options that have the expansion space I neee) or do I bite a bullet and do a CPU, mobo and DDR5 upgrade?

The expansion room btw is because I have a pcie capture card in the pc but it has to sit on the lowest pcie slot. The gpu goes over the ones above.
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Depends on when you had next planned for an upgrade. For example, I am holding out on any major changes to my PC's at the moment, pending the release of intel 14th gen, which isn't very far away.
 
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Thougths on the above? I am not in a position to wait for 14th Gen due to requiring a PC next week. My plan would be to order and pickup tomorrow.

My concerns;
Will the cooler clear that RAM?
Is it all compatible?
I am not interested in RGB etc, so would the Nocutua cooler be better? Its purely functional. I am also not interested in AIO unless its REALLY obvious to be better. I am not overclocking.

This machine is purely for streaming, gaming whilst streaming, and a lot of video editing. My GPU is already the 4080 and I have a 1000W PSU.
 
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What case do you have ?

The Nocthua d15 just beats the dp4 but not by much ram clearance shouldn't be an issue.

Cooler comes with thermal paste

13900k will bang out some heat so there is a case for a 360mm aio cooler, Arctic freezer is the go to aio, it has a thick rad but check clearances.
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There are cheaper motherboards is there any requiremens you need in a board ?
 
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I have the corsair 750d case. I currently have a corsair 360 aio but I do not have the brackets for this socket type as I lost them unfortunately.

I am aware the heat it pumps out, but, and I may be wrong here, the coolers mentioned should be ok to handle?

On a motherboard I need 6 sata, a pcie slot that is far away from the top one to accommodate my capture card when the 4080 is in place. I also need 2 x m.2 gen4, with room to expand if needed later. Ddr5 as I may as well if I am honest. Also, I do not want ASUS anymore. Oh and WiFi is not required as it will only be ethernet.
 
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I have the corsair 750d case. I currently have a corsair 360 aio but I do not have the brackets for this socket type as I lost them unfortunately.

I am aware the heat it pumps out, but, and I may be wrong here, the coolers mentioned should be ok to handle?

On a motherboard I need 6 sata, a pcie slot that is far away from the top one to accommodate my capture card when the 4080 is in place. I also need 2 x m.2 gen4, with room to expand if needed later. Ddr5 as I may as well if I am honest. Also, I do not want ASUS anymore. Oh and WiFi is not required as it will only be ethernet.
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Yes the coolers will handle it but they start to thermal throttle the CPU at full load after about 15 seconds because they can't get rid of the heat fast enough compared to a 360 aio recommend.

Don't get me wrong were not talking huge throttling but enough that can be measured to compare.

This guy did a great video on coolers and explanation.


 
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Why would you be considering the Intel 13th gen option with 14th around the corner and no upgrade path?

Surely for streaming, a Ryzen 7900/7950 would be just as capable if not more so and at least gives you the option to upgrade further down the track.
 
I need a PC up and running now for editing mainly, and each day it's not I am loosing out.

If I was just streaming and gaming, I agree with you and I would wait longer.

14th gen around the corner does not concern me at all. There is always something around the corner to wait for.

Right now I am around the corner from OcUK HQ enjoying my hot choc waiting to collect.
 
If it was me I’d go AM5 or replace the motherboard, unless I really needed all 24 threads from the 13900k for full day workflows. Then I’d go with a water cooled Intel system.
 
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MouthBoy said:
Ok so it started last Thursday where after my stream I turned my PC off. Everything 100% normal. About 20mins later I needed to use my PC again so I turned it on and for some reason it was telling me it was doing a BIOS update, but this screen was literally just on for a moment - I didnt really get to see it. I did not initiate this. Then my PC took about 5-6 attempts to boot at all. It did eventually get into Windows though.

Saturday was the next time I used my PC and the same issues again when trying to boot into Windows. It took about 10 times this time, but it got in there and I was able to use it. Sunday I thought I would take a proper look into the issue as it was persisting and the issue has just got worse. For about 2 hours I could not get into Windows, not even into the BIOS. It was just crashing on the initial splash screen.

To try and resolve this I unplugged everything on the PC that was not required to simply run. I did get into Windows once but it was acting odd. After a bit of research I thought it might be the CMOS battery, so I replaced this and then I did a BIOS update to latest. This prompted Windows to say I needed to redo my PIN, but I was unable to do this due to my network not working (not sure why?). Very odd. I booted into repair and just reinstalled Windows (network now working), which I didnt mind doing as it is usually a quick thing and I keep no data on my C: anyway. After installing I got into Windows, ran all available updates and everything seemed stable. So I left it for the night with the plan to return on Monday PM after work to just reset it all up.

Annnnd the issues started again. It would not boot into Windows, and when it did it would be stable for about 5-10mins and just switch off with a Kernel Power 41 error. After some more research this can be caused by a few things inlcuding bad drivers, usually GFX drivers I read. So I mananged to update the GFX driver (I use studio drivers, not game ready ones), but this still did not solve the issue. I tried another older driver and this also did not resolve anything.

And this is where it gets worse.

I took my GPU out just to inspect the motherboard and all components, make sure everything is plugged in etc, and then replaced it back in. I turned the PC back on and I got into Windows, so whilst I was waiting for it to crash again (as it will crash just sitting on the desktop) I went to put the final screws into the PCI brackets to secure the card. I then dropped a screw into the PC stupidly and so I angled the case a bit to get it at it and the power went off again, which did not alarm me as I had expected this. However this time I heard a ticking like sound from the PSU, almost like a capacitor acting up. I switched the PC off at the PSU, gave it a few minutes before trying to boot again, but since then I have never got a display and never booted again.

It powers on, all fans spin, but the motherboard error lights either stick on the memory error light, or the GPU error light.

I have no idea where to go from here.

My head thinks that maybe the BIOS got mucked up and even with trying to flash it again, its not working right and the issues I am chasing all are related to that, but the PSU noise has me concerned that the PSU was at fault all along and now its taken out my GPU.

Honestly, I am at my wits end. I have ordered a new PSU to test (should be here tomorrow) but what are your thoughts? I have never had an issue like this that seems to shift around so much.

It is worth mentioning I have tried 2 monitors, and HDMI and DP on both without success. They do look like they are about to get a signal sometimes, but then don't and go back to saying no source found.

As a TL;DR -
PC will no longer give a display, all fans turn on (GPU included) but nothing happens. It started with a BIOS update (that I did not initiate) and since then I have had odd PSU noises - and now I think I have borked my GPU, or motherboard - or both?

PC specs;
3900X
ASUS Strix 570X-F Gaming
32GB DDR4 3600 (4 x 8GB)
RTX4080 (about 3 months old)
BeQuiet 1000W PSU (about 3 months old)
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Had a similar (not same) issue when I upgraded my old 8700 to 9900K. ROG Maximus Hero X (Z370) board that has been rock solid from day one with zero issues with the system regardless of tweaking etc. After installing the 9900K, I had a hair brain idea to enable ReBar in the BIOS (I knew it didn't work with 8th Gen & 30xx cards but had read that it works with 9th gen on the Z370 chipset somewhere).
What a mistake that was!!!!! Exited BIOS, booted to Windows where was presented with the "Basic Display Driver" installed, then the machine hard shut down on logging in. Every restart after that would just not POST with the LED Error Code giving the code for "GPU not initialising".
Removed the 3080ti from the system & connected up to the iGPU (always have this enabled regardless for situations like this & offloading any encoding/decoding to it if NVENC isn't supported for some reason) & still no display and the GPU error. Was very close to launching the system out the window at this point as looked to have killed a perfectly working system by either installing a bad CPU (which I was ensured it wasn't buy the seller of used parts who also gave a 2 year warranty with it anyway) or I had killed my 3080ti by enabling ReBar. Removed the 9900K & put the 8700 back in, same problem...
Hail Mary moment & removed CMOS battery, shorted pins & left it for 30 minutes to regain some composure (also opened French Doors in preparation for launching the damn thing out onto the patio!!!),
Turned machine back on & had a display from the iGPU!!!! Booted to Windows & everything looked fine. Swapped back to the 9900K. Same thing, everything was all good! Put the 3080ti back in & crossed my fingers - got a display, then realised I hadn't unplugged the cable from the iGPU!!!! Plugged DP cable back into the 3080ti, grabbed a stress ball, squeezes hard &.... system POST!!!!!!
With BIOS defaults, ran FurMark & 3DMark tests to ensure the 3080ti was still operating ok & it was. After re-setting up the BIOS again to how I wanted things (making sure ReBar was turned off!!!!!!), it has been all good since barring the case swap issue with cooler clearance I have now but hey ho, Noctua have given me somethings to try that they say shouldn't make any difference other than a little acoustic increase (which I can handle tbh).

TL/DR: Always clear the CMOS first as solves many issues (not all but most hardware ones unless got dead parts obviously).
 
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