Would you buy an M5 with no service History?

If its cheap and he's keeping it a while yea no problem.

By cheap though it does want to be cheap, you can probably get its history from BMW and a duplicate book.

How cheap is cheap by the way and what car is it?
 
For me, this would quite literally have to be throwaway cheap, any more money than you'd be happy losing down a casino or something and then you're just entering a world of hurt in all likelihood.
 
[TW]Fox;18347346 said:
I can't imagine you wanting an M5 without history on your pitch. Not only will it take ages to sell, it'd stand a high chance of wiping out any profit you make in the first month when the buyer brings it back. Infact I'm amazed any dealer takes the risk with any 10 year old M5! Surely they are just too much hassle and too much risk.



BMW Diag isn't failsafe - if the job has been done properly the mileage is recoded in all areas of the car and you won't be able to tell by using diag.
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I'd auction it, people go crazy for that kinda stuff around here!

I've seen many clocked beemers before, and yet to find one that's been done properly and changed the mileage in all the modules that store it (inc spare key)
 
If it was properly, properly cheap and I had the time/skills/patience/budget to sort it, then maybe.
But then why not just buy a sorted one in the first place..?
 
Depends how old it is. £5-6k seems to be about the price suspect E39 M5's go for, so it's hardly astoundingly cheap.

I've had too much willpower to do it but somebody on PH is selling what must be the E39 M5 equivilent of mine for £7k - 170k miles yet one owner from new...
 
I'd certainly go and have a look. If it was a tidy car and drove nicely then yes, I would probably would take a punt on it, providing that I saw it as a 'keeper'.

BMW are usually pretty good at filling people in with missing service history but I have heard that they now charge a nominal fee to look it up for you.
 
[TW]Fox;18347267 said:
b) It has no history because the history reveals its true mileage
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Surely most modern cars store the mileage within the ECU where the only way to "hack" it is to replace it with another unit with different miles stored inside?

I know that Toyota have had that for over 10 years now, making clocking impossible
 
I'd have thought it would have made a lot more sense if there was SOME history on a clocked car (I.E before you roll the clocks back) rather throwing ALL of it in the bin.

That is something that really gets me. Why go through the hassle of knocking the clocks back but not taking the time to at least draw up some fake invoices, stamp up a blank service book, etc. Especially on a car like a M5 which is going to have 99& of buyer running away from it with no history. Sort of defeats the point of clocking a car does it not?
 
rypt said:
Surely most modern cars store the mileage within the ECU where the only way to "hack" it is to replace it with another unit with different miles stored inside?

I know that Toyota have had that for over 10 years now, making clocking impossible
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nothing is impossible

it just requires more complex tools.

Think about it, if you can crack an ECU to remap it, why couldnt you crack it to clock it ?
 
MrLOL said:
nothing is impossible

it just requires more complex tools.

Think about it, if you can crack an ECU to remap it, why couldnt you crack it to clock it ?
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I know nothing is impossible, but someone bothering to create a means to clock the ECU is pretty unlikely really
 
It takes about 1.5 hours with the right software and plugs to do every recorded place on a BMW including the key.
 
Many Toyota ecu is ubcracked though. Hence people use camcon that intercepts the signal rather than being able to edit ecu itself. Or replace whole unit with stand alone Hydra or power DC.
 
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