Wrath of Man - Jason Statham
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Doesn't seem to be out at the cinema, must be on-demand on Netflix/Amazon I'm guessing?
Another stupid "old fashioned" anachronism which just feeds pirates, causing companies to lose money because they still think it's the 1980's and we need physical film to be moved about. The sooner these companies join the rest of us in the 2020's and globally release a product simultaneously the sooner they'll make more money as they remove most of the "just browsing as I can't get it legally yet" portion of the pirated stuff - obviously won't stop dedicated pirates though.
So yawn, another post about a film that we're not able to view legally yet. I might give up on this subforum tbh.
Studios have access to way more data than you do. Don't you think it's already within their interest to make the most money possible? So why, when they could release day-and-date everywhere don't you think they are doing it? There's a lot more to it than you think. We're lucky in the UK because we generally get to see the domestic/original version release of a film (so no additional work on localisation), but most modern blockbusters have to create 450+ dubbed and subtitled versions for worldwide release. Trying to get those all ready for a day-and-date release is extremely hard if not impossible.
You said it yourself. Pirates will always think of an excuse to pirate. It doesn't matter what the film companies do.
Studios have access to way more data than you do. Don't you think it's already within their interest to make the most money possible? So why, when they could release day-and-date everywhere don't you think they are doing it? There's a lot more to it than you think. We're lucky in the UK because we generally get to see the domestic/original version release of a film (so no additional work on localisation), but most modern blockbusters have to create 450+ dubbed and subtitled versions for worldwide release. Trying to get those all ready for a day-and-date release is extremely hard if not impossible.
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Looks a bit John Wick/Taken. Will probably watch. 
The argument about having to generate subs/dubs makes sense superficially but can be easily countered by simply holding all releases back until all formats are ready and then releasing simultaneously, thereby maximising profits and minimising "justifiable"* piracy.
* Justified as in "I could find it on any legit site so I just had to pirate it as I couldn't possibly wait another month for a film for which I have waited years/months/didn't even know existed."
BTW, I've not seen the film and just wanted to get a feeling for whether it's worth my time when I can see it legitimately. I like Statham (and so does my wife, naturally) so the positive reactions in this thread just reinfoces my desire to watch the film and reward the film-makers for their efforts.
* Justified as in "I could find it on any legit site so I just had to pirate it as I couldn't possibly wait another month for a film for which I have waited years/months/didn't even know existed."
BTW, I've not seen the film and just wanted to get a feeling for whether it's worth my time when I can see it legitimately. I like Statham (and so does my wife, naturally) so the positive reactions in this thread just reinfoces my desire to watch the film and reward the film-makers for their efforts.
It's about old fashioned "distribution rights", based around old fashioned physical film which needed to be printed, shipped and advertising by a middle-man company who sat between the studios and the cinemas.
However with today's modern digital cinemas, that distinctly old fashioned methodology means that distribution companies (who deal directly with the cinemas) are fighting to remain alive/relevant and not understanding that their time is past and that studios could/should be dealing directly with both cinemas and the streaming public in equal regards.
The sooner these fossils die out and leave the cinemas, the studios and the fans as the remaining pieces the better!
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Sure. But it's also about picking the right date in each territory for maximum profit. E.g. France has a very strong local market so you wouldn't want to release generic Hollywood blockbuster number 3 on the same date as some European comedy starring their biggest TV personality. And all studios have to work around each other who are doing the same thing in multiple territories. You can also see how releasing in certain territories gives the marketing a boost for the 'main' release e.g. F9 is already deemed a massive success even before it's hit the US. It tells a good story before it even hits our shores. The flipside of your point is that if a studio is gambling on day-and-date release and it gets leaked before.. well that's just a complete nightmare and will have a big effect on takings especially in particular countries where piracy is more acceptable.
Cinemas have been receiving digital prints from studios since ~2002. Digital cinema rollout began in earnest in 2005. Feel free to do some research into VPFs (virtual print fees) if you want some more info on the problems faced and why it's not half as easy as you suggest. For what it's worth a lot of DCPs are still sent via physical harddrive so it's not much different than shipping a print. Just less costly on the duplication.
There's simple money to consider as well. For every film and territory a studio has to weigh up how much they want to spend on marketing/publicity etc. If they think they can spend XX and only make YY back in that country, they won't bother releasing it. However if a distributor comes along and says "We'll buy the rights for this territory for ZZ and take on the costs of marketing etc." well that's where you get these deals. It's exactly the same reason you're getting "big" movies coming to streamers because they just pay ZZ amount to the studio and immediately the studio isn't gambling on a cost versus reward.
I don't know every reason for not releasing day-and-date all the time but I understand why it's not as simple as people make out.
Indeed. But it was about a movie that's not out yet so wgaf?
He doesn't sound cockney though.. and he's from Derbyshire.
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Scam needs to just get over it? people d/l movies OMG! pfftt
But it is out though, hence why people have seen it.
Indeed, in the same way people always go over 70mph on the motorway. We all break laws, not saying it's acceptable but humans gonna human
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Not to sound overly dramatic.. but sorry for trying to protect my livelihood. It's been an awful year for the film industry. I've seen my office decimated by redundancies, some of my best friends at work are now jobless. Freelancers haven't worked for a year and not been eligible for support. This isn't a tiny violin moment, because clearly others have had it a lot harder but again I always thought this forum was fairly sensible with not allowing discussion of piracy/illegal downloads. I could post threads about the film's I've seen before release but I won't because (a) it's not great for forum discussions when no one else has seen them and (b) I'd soon get fired..
This is a UK-based forum. It's not on UK streaming services nor is it out in the cinema until 23 July.
Am I derailing the thread enough now?
Not to sound overly dramatic.. but sorry for trying to protect my livelihood. It's been an awful year for the film industry. I've seen my office decimated by redundancies, some of my best friends at work are now jobless. Freelancers haven't worked for a year and not been eligible for support. This isn't a tiny violin moment, because clearly others have had it a lot harder but again I always thought this forum was fairly sensible with not allowing discussion of piracy/illegal downloads. I could post threads about the film's I've seen before release but I won't because (a) it's not great for forum discussions when no one else has seen them and (b) I'd soon get fired..
This is a UK-based forum. It's not on UK streaming services nor is it out in the cinema until 23 July.
Am I derailing the thread enough now?
Doesn't change the fact that it's out. This maybe an UK forum but not everyone who participates on this forum is in the UK, also this is the internet, which is connected worldwide.
Yes, you are, this thread is regarding the film Wrath of Man not piracy and people losing money and livelihoods due to covid and what's been happening recently. So take your little sarcastic smiley and keep it on topic like a good lad.
I agree. But are you telling me the majority of people posting about it are in the US? I don't think so (and I'm not going to look at all of their locations to prove my point). Others seem keen to point out they are using VPNs or downloading like it's the nineties and they've done something impressive...