Writers

@ Nix:

What uni is that? Sounds very positive indeed. I've got respect for people who can actually sit down and write a proper novel.



And no, that doesn't mean I respect a certain female atrocity.

University of Plymouth.

It was quite flattering when I first had such feedback, and my housemates initially suggested that I should get into some form of travel-writing (something I would love to do). The assignment in question was a 'reflective log' of my recent fieldwork in Prague, so I took the opportunity to tell an amusing story. Other assignments where I've had a little leeway, or freedom to write what I want have received similar responses. One individual after reading an essay about my career aspirations, suggested that I should get into journalism.

The idea of writing a book has been something which I've contemplated for some time, but I guess now I have a little motivation to actually get on with it. Obviously I'm not taking it too seriously at the moment. It'll be nice if something comes of it, but you can't plan these things.
 
well mate if it's any help at all, there's a huge and popular market for travel writing and travel anecdotes! Go for it!
If I may:
What's your style as such? Kerouac (sp? and no I've only been told many times at length what he does and how great he is) style or other?
Combining factual content with fiction or creative style is very difficult indeed to make it not sound completely contrived. Furthermore, if you can add humour into that mix.... Very good indeed.
If you'd like an anonymous critiquing at any time, I'd love to help someone such as yourself who has capability with English language and especially for someone who can write in the way you describe!
 
I've had at least four seperate lecturers suggest that I get into some form of writing recently. Once university is out of the way, I'm going to start writing a novel as a hobby, which I would like to get published, but I really don't know how feasible that is. I've been told I have a talent for the English language, but I guess it still remains to be fully realised. As for the novel itself; I've been jotting down notes and ideas for the past year. I ran by the idea for the story to a few friends and even gave them a short section to read and I've only got positive feedback. We'll see how this pans out. ;)


That does sound good and encouraging. What degree course are you on? I wish my lecturers would say something like that but I do an engineering degree so they dont even know that there is an outside, the books the read have names like "The microscopic behaviour of fluids" and other such enticing titles.

As for your story idea, you know that I don't know what the idea is, so my advice is purely unobjective, but your friends will always tell you you have a good idea, and every book I've read about screenwriting and other forms, one of the first things they say is don't ever say that your friends/family/colleagues etc. have read it and they liked it.

Don't mean to be such a bonfire urinater but like, I said, I dont know what your idea is so for all I know you, you could have the next best thing, just dont run away with yourself because your mate said it was good. Sorry, again I dont mean to be harsh or anything.
 
I don't know, it's quite hard to judge your own works objectively. From what little insight I can provide you with, I would say I'm probably cynical, passionate, philosophical and cheeky.

The style I'd approach something like travel-writing would be completely different from that in which I would approach a novel. The best way I can explain would be through example. Here's an opening paragraph to the essay where he suggested I 'get into' journalism.

As I begin to firmly establish myself within the clutches of adulthood, I observe some very peculiar things. Hindsight for instance gives us nostalgic reminiscence – a chance to comprehend the more obscure of life’s mysteries. Having journeyed through an experience that cumulates with the golden days of my undergraduate experience, I’m required to comment on these private reflections and establish both my short-term and long-term ambitions upon graduation.
In her work, Kneale (2003: 233) recognises that “higher education changes people” and without hesitation, I would agree. However, I do not believe that university is entirely responsible for the altered person who leaves; that would too bold of a claim. Adulthood is a strange lesson in itself as it develops character – responsibility, pride, and sadness are our guides. We begin to understand that adults don’t always have the answers and “the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing” (Socrates, 470 BC-399 BC). The subsequent philosophical musings of why and how are entertained – are these the embedded conclusions of a non-educated twenty-something or are they a cultural rite of passage? It would be naïve to think that my education has not played a significant role in shaping who I am today.

A section from my 'Reflective Log':

On arrival, my first experience of Prague was that within the international airport Ruzyne. I had never before visited a place where signs aren’t automatically translated into English; I felt illiterate and intimidated. The language was hard to decipher as even reading was problematic. Whilst trying to read and clearly mispronouncing, I was drawing attention to myself. However, as many had done before and in true empirical panache; I soldiered on into the unknown. This must be ‘geographical masculinity’ (Rose, 1993) in action; a taming of the raw material into ordered knowledge (Johnston et al, 2005: 267). It was truly a day of firsts. I had never flown before and was still in a childlike state of awe, yet the geographical cogs were nevertheless still churning. When quizzed recently by a friend on what geography was, my answer was analogous to ‘geography is not merely a subject, but a way of viewing the world’. Evidently, geography is not something one simply turns off.
Moving towards passport control I had my first nibble from the stereotypical pie of English resentment. Upon approaching those little boxes of personified xenophobia, stopping for the briefest of moments to appreciate sensitive issues of sovereignty, migration and economy, and all the while uttering nonsensical musings which seem to engross the young, insane and foolhardy; it happened. The man’s reaction was something akin to that of a disgusted elderly relative; startled and in a hurry to leave. He must have heard our inane ramblings, yet his reaction came as a shock to us. The uncomfortable silence was quickly filled with an indifferent amusement, but it felt like a hard learned lesson – not everyone here liked us.
 
That does sound good and encouraging. What degree course are you on? I wish my lecturers would say something like that but I do an engineering degree so they dont even know that there is an outside, the books the read have names like "The microscopic behaviour of fluids" and other such enticing titles.

As for your story idea, you know that I don't know what the idea is, so my advice is purely unobjective, but your friends will always tell you you have a good idea, and every book I've read about screenwriting and other forms, one of the first things they say is don't ever say that your friends/family/colleagues etc. have read it and they liked it.

Don't mean to be such a bonfire urinater but like, I said, I dont know what your idea is so for all I know you, you could have the next best thing, just dont run away with yourself because your mate said it was good. Sorry, again I dont mean to be harsh or anything.

It's a Geography degree. For the most part, I haven't had the freedom to write how I want though, which is actually somewhat frustrating. As for the criticism, the thought has crossed my mind but my immediate neighbour is a brutally honest masters student in English Literature and he even said it sounded very interesting. Writing anyway has become something personal where I generally write my best when I'm writing for fun, rather than for someone to read. If I write something and people enjoy it, great! If not, oh well. ;)

I feel like I'm setting myself up for a large fall here! No pressure or anything, honest! :p
 
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now reading them analytically. If you like I can open up MSN and give you a better critiquing than on here every 5min or whatever. Oh, and that depends if I can work out how to get/ use MSN on a Mac :S
 
I used to write for small community gaming sites but quit because or issues I had with the site.

I don't have the time to write for the fun of it anymore. I would love to write freelance but I would need something in it for me to support doing it in my free time. I find it a bit of a messy area really. Big websites sell out to publishers, small websites take it too seriously like they are going to be the next IGN.

It's nothing I would pursue as a future career though. Plus I write like I would want to read a review. So no big fancy words. Just straight to the point.
 
now reading them analytically. If you like I can open up MSN and give you a better critiquing than on here every 5min or whatever. Oh, and that depends if I can work out how to get/ use MSN on a Mac :S

It's okay. As for your earlier point; how would you suggest I get into such writing? I'm entertaining the idea of travelling anyway as it's something I want to do. Would you suggest I just do it and then approach some company with my work?
 
Writing's something I used to be good at at school, but haven't really done since. I often think about it, but never get off my loathsome spotty behind and actually do anything about it, mostly because I'd probably be crap.
 
Well, I've written a critique of your work (by hand) so will be happy to email it to you unless you'd prefer I flex my lit-peen in GD :p

I'd say, and I know this sounds bad, but perhaps enquire to a travel guide editor like for instance the guy who edits the Lonely Planet for Czech Rep. and Prague and see what he or she has to say. I'd also guess that these types would be the best, as I know that most of my mates buy a travel guide (usually Lonely Planet) before going traveling. I think that in the general description part of a city, your style would be appropriate for a general guide as well as an approachable source of information.

Other than that, well I've no ideas.


As for traveling, that's on my agenda after I leave Madrid, and I don't leave the house without a pen and paper. But then again, that's a different field of literature to yours I suppose (as writing an essay at a whim on your knees isn't exactly desirable)...
 
I've been writing stories for a couple of years now - mainly short stories of 3K-14K words - but I've recently begun what I hope will eventually be a novel-length piece. I write simply because I enjoy it. It's great to throw ideas around with friends who are also amateur authors, and to bring ideas into fruition on the page. I've been an avid reader since I was young, and have always found it relaxing to lose myself in another world. Since taking up writing, I have discovered that the same is often true of the creative process - it can be very therapeutic. I also love getting feedback and knowing someone else has enjoyed reading my work.

As for how I write, I tend to first plan a lot, sometimes to distraction. But generally I'll have an idea, put an outline together for how I want the story/scene to go, then write it. The outline keeps me on track and means I have a "destination" for my writing - I know it's going somewhere - which helps me tremendously. Often my plan will be discussed with a friend of mine who also writes. I have perfectionist tendencies, so I'll usually self-edit as I go along - I can't just "freewrite" - and will often re-read paragraphs/sections/chapters several times during the process, making small adjustments as necessary, until they're in a state I'm happy with.

I write purely for pleasure and post my stuff up on a website called FictionPress, a site for amateur poets and authors to put their work on the 'net for others to read and review. It's a great site for people of all abilities, and there are a number of spectacularly good pieces on there. Have a look and see what you think - it's the best site of its kind, in my opinion. Be warned though; it's huge, and you'll often find work on the site that's really good but has very few readers/reviewers. My advice is to read a lot and review a lot - authors will often look back at the profiles of their reviewers (I know I do), and that way your own reader base slowly grows.
 
I've been writing stories for a couple of years now - mainly short stories of 3K-14K words - but I've recently begun what I hope will eventually be a novel-length piece. I write simply because I enjoy it. It's great to throw ideas around with friends who are also amateur authors, and to bring ideas into fruition on the page. I've been an avid reader since I was young, and have always found it relaxing to lose myself in another world. Since taking up writing, I have discovered that the same is often true of the creative process - it can be very therapeutic. I also love getting feedback and knowing someone else has enjoyed reading my work.

As for how I write, I tend to first plan a lot, sometimes to distraction. But generally I'll have an idea, put an outline together for how I want the story/scene to go, then write it. The outline keeps me on track and means I have a "destination" for my writing - I know it's going somewhere - which helps me tremendously. Often my plan will be discussed with a friend of mine who also writes. I have perfectionist tendencies, so I'll usually self-edit as I go along - I can't just "freewrite" - and will often re-read paragraphs/sections/chapters several times during the process, making small adjustments as necessary, until they're in a state I'm happy with.

I write purely for pleasure and post my stuff up on a website called FictionPress, a site for amateur poets and authors to put their work on the 'net for others to read and review. It's a great site for people of all abilities, and there are a number of spectacularly good pieces on there. Have a look and see what you think - it's the best site of its kind, in my opinion. Be warned though; it's huge, and you'll often find work on the site that's really good but has very few readers/reviewers. My advice is to read a lot and review a lot - authors will often look back at the profiles of their reviewers (I know I do), and that way your own reader base slowly grows.

I think I'm pretty similar to you mate, a lot of my friends and just people I know look down on reading and just don't do it. "I dont read books" is a phrase you hear from people in the same way they'd say "I don't watch Hollyoaks", I think its stupid, you'd never hear anyone say they dont watch tv in that way yet they treat it like it is a type of tv or something that they're just not into. They are missing out on so much and just limiting themselves as a person.

Nearly everything I've written up until now has had to have a destination, a predefined arc that I'm constantly aspiring to. The only problem with that is, you end up trying to mould the story to that arc rather than just letting it wander as it comes. All the writing I've done recently has been so frustrating because you have an arc in conceptual, abstract form in your head, then when you try and write to it, it just sounds forced and loses the potential you thought it had. I started writing a piece simply from the thought of a watercooler last week and ended up writing about a guy in an office in a style akin to Three Men in a Boat by Jerome K. Jerome, a book I'd advice anyone to read as its awesome, I'll post what I've written so far (only about 2 pages) in a minute.

I will have a look at Fiction Press as it sounds interesting. I have been submitting my work on DeviantArt but the amount of people on there and the submissions compared to readers doesnt scale very well.
 
Here is what I have written so far on my Watercooler story:

The god damn water cooler didn’t have any god damn cups, damn. I looked around and began to panic when the only even vaguely suitable container in immediate sight was the bit where you put the staples in a stapler. I only went to the water cooler because I was bored and normally I don’t even bother drinking from it but the injustice of it all just seemed to get to me. I didn’t want to look like an idiot walking round the office without any obvious purpose so after returning to my desk and avoiding some awkward questions about a wet stapler I sat down to have a wrestle with my desk drawer.

The desk drawer sticks, let’s just leave it at that. I didn’t even need anything out of it, in fact I’m fairly sure it’s empty but getting frustrated with the drawer is infinitely more satisfying that getting frustrated with work because you know it will always come open in the end, that’s what it’s for after all. Anyway, I had a go and after a few choice swear words and sideways looks from my neighbours I had it open an inch. Admiring my handiwork and a squeeze of the trusty bicep I set to work again, pushing it back in only for it to get stuck in the exact place when pulled again.

I persevered for another 10 minutes gradually becoming louder in my grunting and swearing. With an almighty tug and a cry of “come on you b******!” I managed half way. By now the sideways glances had become glares and despite my displaying my trophy of a half open drawer containing 6 bent paper clips barely resembling a bracelet and a paper aeroplane which had flown its last disciplinary meeting they weren’t satisfied for some reason.

In hindsight I shouldn’t have lost my temper, it’s just a drawer, an inanimate object, incapable of causing anyone any harm. I looked upon my vanquished foe like old friends settling an arm wrestling wager, consoling the drawer on a battle well fought I put my heel on the draw and gave it a kick, testing the waters. My chair rolled backwards and the woman behind me kicked up a huge fuss, making a scapegoat out of me because she had careless dropped some papers and jumped on the opportunity to blame an unlucky guy stumbling onto the scene. Ignoring something about a broken toe and a law suit I went back to the drawer, lifted and pushed. It slid begrudgingly back into place, preparing its battle plan for tomorrow.

I asked my neighbour if he had a stapler and went to get a drink.

The clock began its crawl towards the hour mark, I watched it for a while, I became engrossed in the way you could see the minute hand move ever so slightly as the second hand relentlessly lapped it. 12pm, the oasis, the blessed hour in the day which, at 9am seems like next Christmas. I’m not a religious man but I’m not ashamed to say I routinely make deals with God about bringing my lunch hour quicker, then when that doesn’t work, with the devil.

As I watched the minute hand click into place over the hour hand, I reneged on all my deals made with all my deities as I raced for the door and with the grace of a sea turtle sashaying over to his lover smashed the office screen door open and jammed my foot in the lift. I don’t know what it is about the hour between 12 and 1pm compared to the 3 preceding and the 4 pursuing, but it seems God only enjoys speeding up time when you don’t want him to. By the time I’d gotten down 4 floors in a lift, it was already 10 past, damn. I accused the receptionist, then the janitor and then the guy who drops off photocopier paper of changing the clock just to ruin my lunch hour, they all protested innocence, I swore to the lot of them that I would find out who is responsible. I was about to trounce their stolid reluctance to admitting their bare faced guilt with stone cold, unavoidable logic but the horrific discovery that whoever had indeed masterminded this sabotage, had also managed to change my watch tipped me over the edge. I deemed that even my espionage inquiries weren’t worth wasting my lunch hour. I fled for the door, if the newsagents has any more than 4 people in the queue before I can get my lunch, I wouldn’t have time for my usual haggle with Sanjay.

I demonstrated to Sanjay that the price of 6 Mars bars and 2 cans of Apple Tango had risen on average by 2.8p per month for the past 3 months. Using a full run down on the prices I had paid in the afore stated timeframe, I proved beyond on any shadow of doubt that his shop would be on the downturn before Christmas. By the time I had bartered a space pencil and 6 cola bottles for the 7.4p difference in price since March, a rather large and irritable queue had formed behind me, I told Sanjay I obviously wasn’t the only one to notice the steep increase in price and if he would like to keep his loyal customer base, he should rethink the latest price-list revision. As I ambled out the shop, I heard profuse apologies mingled with stiff upper lipped observations about the service and wondered why I hadn’t been offered an apology about the prices.

I wandered along the pavement wondering why the office had to be situated in such a dank part of town, why the building couldn’t be along a lovely stretch of river where the swans glided along gracefully and the ducks trundled behind jealously, or opposite some meadows promising warm soft pews that one could spend hours revelling in the contrast of industry and nature. Instead of these havens of natural beauty, opposite our office block was in fact, an identical office block. Protruding equally as high and exactly as ugly into the overcast sky, one could easily forget which side of the road you were on. The only difference between the 2 were a bench with 3 of the 5 slats missing or broken, and a wire bin that only ever seemed to be full of newspaper and cider bottles. One night a friend and I, went down and moved the bench and bin to the opposite side to see whether people would indeed be confused. However, in the middle of my devious scam I realized I had glazed over the tiny fact that the very people I was trying to con, weren’t actually people at all. They are machines, they enter, “pop-out”, re-enter and go home everyday within a 60 second timeframe, they don’t look around when they come out, do not take a second to relish the end of the day, take in a deep breath of air that hasn’t be re-circulated constantly through the conditioning system, they are already catching up on paperwork by the time they have revolved around the glass door. Indeed, the only poor soul human enough to fall for the trickery was the local homeless man who chose the door well exactly opposite his usual to vomit into around early afternoon.

I hope you like it, I've enjoyed writing it and its the first time in a long while I've enjoyed writing anything so much. It doesn't have a direction, it isnt going anywhere, I'm just writing it as and when I feel as and how I feel.

I came across a website called podiobooks.com recently and found you can get free audio books in podcast form but more importantly you can record and submit your own works and get paid for it to, without giving up any copyright or anything like that. My dad is blind and he listens to loads of audio books so I've been around them all my life and I've been thinking about maybe serialising this on there. I already recorded all that last night and it was loads more fun than I thought it would be, only had one go at it and it didn't sound that bad either. You can get free software and things to do it really easy.
 
One of my closest friends considers himself a 'writer'. Of course, its not his occupation, but i know he'd like it to be.
I've been amongst the privileged few to read some of his concepts/transcripts, and i have to say his stuff is fantastic. So much so that he frustrates the hell out of me by not finishing a damned thing.
He has about 4 stories, all around the 70k word mark, all unfinished, but all superb so far.
In fact, one of them has taken so long that the genre he was writing in has come around again and a spate of books/movies have been produced recently that very closely resemble his story, which is one reason why he says he hasn't finished it, because it makes HIM look like just another blah blah type of writer, when in fact he could have had copyright(?) on it? Or at least, the idea was his first.
He's also done poetry, both rhyming and non-rhyming and what i've read is amazing.
He says his inspiration is drawn from life experience.
The poem below is his own and imho is one of the greatest poems i've ever read.
Abandoned by our fathers
Forsaken by our kin
Hated by our children
Despised by souls within
Tortured by our lovers
Relishing our pain
Too far are we from Eden
We are the Sons of Cain

We walk the earth in suffering
Silent screams they fill the air
We are the tortured souls in life
Will death destroy despair?
Or will we wander netherworlds
Shadow tears on shadow earth
Our cries like ghostly thunder
Cries of pain we've shared since birth

Our god has turned his back on us
We are utterly alone
No-one to lift our burden
No place to call our home
And what will happen to our sons
Will they escape the pain?
Deep down we know the answer
They too are Sons of Cain

He is truly talented imo, and like many other writers of such work deserve the break they long for. But getting it is no small measure sadly.
He wrote a mother's day poem for his mum last year, and it almost had me in tears, never mind his mum. :rolleyes:

Another of his inspirations is David Gemmell the sci-fantasy author, who i beleive to be the greatest sci-fi author who ever lived...and died.
But even Gemmell himself said that the world was full of great writers....who just cannot get their work read by publishers!
 
I'll ask him, but plagiarism can be rife in the writing underworld......so, i'm not sure what he'll say.
What i can say is that of his stories so far are:
one is a sci-fantasy novel about a dragon (almost jaws-like in storyline)
one is a gangster type which i've not read anything from
one is about fallen angels since the dawn of time etc, battling through the ages (won't say more than that as its a fantastic story, right up my alley)
Another is about a serial killer and....ooooh...sorry i can't say any more but it's really gritty with great twists.
I so wish he'd finish them so he could submit them somewhere for someone to read.

Not gay or owt, but my mate has got some serious talent and i bet there's a few of you out there in the same situation....unfinished stories, unpublished works etc.
 
I've been writing fiction for about 4 years. Basically I write stories I would like to read. I started doing this because I became so sick of buying fiction books and never liking them.

I know I'm not a great writer, I have never claimed to be. I've never shown anyone my work, bar a friend from Japan who likes reading English books.

I have two major projects going at the moment. One of them (the main one) is just too big to concentrate on right now. The other however is coming along nicely and I'm looking forward to completing it and showing people.

I would like to get a book published one day, but I have absolutely no idea how. I've read a bit about self publishing, but I don't know the details or how succesful it can be. But its something I'd like to concentrate on when I'm older and settled down.
 
kJacko:
your friends verse is interesting. I personally don't usually get a consistent ryhme-scheme going in my work. Takes a lot of thought to maintain the structure, flow and of course to get any kind of consistent rhyme involved.
He has a very different style to my own, and I liked 'The sons of Cain' theme. found that to merit some thought. His wording is by and large nice, he has a free and easy modern style of writing, making his works accessible to a big audience (regardless of the subject matter before you jump on it).
Out of interest why is the only punctuation question marks. That puzzled me a bit.
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All this talk of writing recently has encouraged me to dig out all my notes, maps and scribbles. I've sort of ignored it for a while now, over a year, so it's about time I got back into things, and all the recent threads have spurred me on and helped me remember how much fun it is doing something creative.

Now I'm sitting at a desk covered in paper trying to categorize everything and get it onto the computer. It really makes me wish I didn't write like a drunken spider, or have a habit of scribbling stuff on notes, or the backs of envelopes or on bits of paper with completely unrelated stuff on. :(

Fun, fun, fun!
 
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