WW1 started 100 years ago today

Really! Any info on that, interested on reading. Always like learning about it.

If you're looking for find out more about the reasons for the Great War then I'd suggest Hardcore Histories' series of three podcasts on the matter: Blueprint for Armageddon. Nine hours split over three podcasts with maybe some more to come.

If you'd rather read about it then A World Undone is a very readable account of the entire war.

RIP everyone who died in this most idiotic and tragic of wars.
 
far away from the land of our birth
we fly a flag on some foreign earth
we sailed away like our fathers before
these colours don't run from cold bloody war

[iron maiden with a very poignant nod to those who gave everything for their country]

its kind of sad that so many had to die then, and again 25 years later in order to have peace between the great nations of Europe. how many more does there need to be for the rest of the world?
 
Absolutely pointless waste of life. From what I learn't it was the posturing of a mad German Emperor, backing up a fight between Austria-Hungary, and Serbia. Sadly it seems almost everyone had a treaty with another country meaning we all took sides like children in a school fight. Sad.

I think it was one Empire in decline taking on another growing Empire. You can see the similarities with the US and China today. A lot of the aggression is manufactured by politicians to suit their agenda and when that need has passed or something else comes along the initial target is forgotten, like US and Iran today.

A stupid waste of life. I think on this day 1000 senior politicians around the world should be hung with each country nominating its own. Maybe in 25 years the world would be a more peaceful place.
 
Good thread OP. I'm sure that we all have relatives who fought at least one of the World Wars.

Not necessarily the exact dates, but am I right in thinking that the year numbers 1914-18 and 1939-45 should be common knowledge? I attended an induction day for where I currently work. We were put into groups and had to answer questions, one being about the two World Wars. I heard someone say which year did it start? Granted I didn't continue with history after year 9, but I was pretty disgusted with that guy's remark.
 
Seeing a commemorative pull out in the paper today reminded me of some photographs I was sent from a guy in Manchester who supports Brechin! He's into his history, especially the great war and the photographs were of former Brechin City Players who lost their lives then. Must remember to scan them in and upload them onto the website.

I also saw today on the BBC website that Portsmouth have sewn in 1400 names 'Pompey Pals' into their home shirt to commemorate the war.
 
Really! Any info on that, interested on reading. Always like learning about it.

A really rough and very simplified summary:

During the 19th century, there was a degree of unification in Europe and changes in balances of power. Most significantly, the final unifications of Italy and Germany. Germany in particular was strongly nationalist and involved in disputes over territory. The Franco-Prussian war in 1870 was an important tipping point (Wilhelm II was alive then, but not the leader of Germany).

Germany was second league then - while it was a bunch of largely rural and partly sort of unified small countries, Russia was a de facto empire to the east and the UK and France were worldwide empires. Germany (now calling itself the German Empire), newly unified, highly nationalistic, brilliantly led by Bismarck and fresh off a victory over the French empire over the disputed territory of Alsace-Lorraine, wanted the big league. They conquered some parts of Africa, because in those days overseas colonies were the hallmark of imperial power. Neither Russia nor the European powers wanted them, but that wasn't the point.

Germany allied with Austria-Hungary as a mutual defence agreement in the face of a threat from Russia (the conflict in the Balkans, the Russo-Turkish war, etc). Shortly afterwards, Italy joined the alliance (but not really - they played both sides). Still no Wilhelm II at this point.

Germany also threw resources into R&D (they were the world leaders in scientific research for a while), infrastructure building and their military. The military build-up was huge for peacetime. Suspiciously so. Especially their navy, which they had built into the second largest military navy in the world. For a country that has relatively little coastline. It wasn't defensive.

Wilhelm II takes over and isn't entirely stable. Bismarck was manipulative and power-hungry, but at least he was stable and rational. Wilhelm II is a loose cannon and might start a war against anyone for who knows what reason. France and Russia come to a mutual protection agreement in the face of German/Austrian/Hungarian aggression. The UK joins it - Germany built that massive navy for a reason and it wasn't to invade France or Russia.

So now (early 1900s) Europe, western Asia and much of Africa is divided into two opposing blocs competing for power with mutual defence agreements all over the place and with numerous pre-existing conflicts. That's about as safe as juggling with sweaty dynamite - the smallest thing will set it off. It turned out to be the murder of Archduke Ferdinand, but it would have been something else if that hadn't happened.

I think that the fairly common view that it was a particularly pointlessly stupid war over a minor assassination and mutual defence treaties is far too simplified and blaming it all on Wilhelm II is too simplified. I think that the root causes are older and more complex.
 
I studied the triggers and causes as part of my History degree. It was absolutely fascinating.

The assassination was a trigger and not the overall cause of the war. As has been said, it was far more complicated than 'just' political gesticulation although intimidation was key in creating social and political divisions. The pressure built up over many years. It wasn't just something that happened overnight.

I disagree that the war was pointless but it is a very contentious debate.
 
Dan Carlin compares it to a gun in Russian roulette. The trigger had already been pulled a couple of times but the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was the time that there was a bullet in the chamber. But that's not to say that the war couldn't have been avoided if different leaders had been in power. Bismark never would have allowed it to happen.
 
RIP :(

Lions led by donkeys

This. :(

I'm also disgusted at the creation of 190,000 tons of chemical weapons during the war. As if what they had to go through wasn't close enough to hell on earth, they had gases raining down on them. Burning flesh, eyes, throat and leaving a pain incurable for weeks, surviving the encounter if you were lucky...

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

—Wilfred Owen, "Dulce et Decorum est", 1917

And as if the dictators in charge even learned their lessons from what went on. This wasn't enough to them and carried it on. World War Two. The Vietnam War. Lives torn apart and wasted because of those hungry for power and intolerant to others' way of life. This leaves both physical and mental torment to those involved. The list of effects go on and on. The men suffer enough to fight against such evils, never mind having this to contend with.

Makes me really sad. :(
 
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Respect to all 16 odd million human beings that lost their lives during this dreadful period of history, many after enduring dreadful hardships and things we should be grateful we will hopefully never have to endure.

Thank you for giving up your lives so I haven't had to.

I bow my head and thank you from the bottom of my heart.
 
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