Well thats hardly fair now is it!? You say buy the cheapest PC components, and then you ask how much an elite is, well how much is a 8800GTX Ultra?? I have both a 360 and PC so am not taking sides, just saying its hard to compare the 2 for games, as the price range is so much different
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X Box 360 compared to PC Graphics
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Well thats hardly fair now is it!? You say buy the cheapest PC components, and then you ask how much an elite is, well how much is a 8800GTX Ultra?? I have both a 360 and PC so am not taking sides, just saying its hard to compare the 2 for games, as the price range is so much different
I didn't bother buying a 360 until about October though, there just weren't enough games on it that I wanted like in your case. Same reason I haven't bought a PS3, and probably won't as none of the upcoming titles are really "my thing." That goes for the Wii too actually, it's just not generally my thing and I'm not into the games.
Now the 360 has a lot of titles I like (and more incoming like GTA4 and Fable 2) I just had to buy one. That said though the PC is technically far superior and as I keep saying you can buy a 360-equivalent PC for only £300 notes or so. Just depends on the games when it comes down to it.
I edited my previous post as you were quoting it, and just to be controversial GOW is much better on PC!
Well at least you will use it and it wont gather dust or be a door stopper
. The Wii was fun for a night then it was like "nah". PS3 only shows me Pro Evolution 2008 and I can play that pretty well on my system now and my older AMD X2/2900Pro system with 1gb of RAM lol.The Xbox titles are growing and a lot of work is getting put into them. Microsoft are really breathing down their necks to get games finished so you know it's going to run good no matter what. I wish Microsoft would go nuts at them for the PC side of it as they did mention that Vista L!ve and Xbox Live would be merging together a while back. I wish the same dicipline was applied to the developers and I don't feel it's happening for the PC market on a select few titles and I think it's going to get worse. PC gamers get patched as they go along it seems on the few select titles that I mention (Spiderman3, Rainbow 6, Lost Planet) whilst Xbox360 titles come out perfect.
Ooooh looking forward to GoW as my AMD rig had to be stock to play (only game
) and 2Ghz X2 isn't great with 1gb of RAM 
.Buy an E2160 and overclock it to 3Ghz also
. That'll help . Cheap optical mouse with 800DPI is quick enough for those gamers who could kick ass with a track and ball mouse = £5. £5 keyboard and whoop de doooo 
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I was just showing the bare minimums bud.
But if it comes down to peripherals you can hook up the PC to any display you happen to have (CRT or LCD), keyboards and mice don't cost anything really, and you can get Windows XP Home OEM for only £50-ish.
You can get a case for £5-10 if you're not fussy. With an Xbox you don't get to choose.
So let's call it slap £70 on top of it and ask; "Is £70 worth it for everything else other than gaming that a PC can do?" I mean I could easily look at the 360 Arcade you're comparing with and say no HDD = Live is pretty much useless, no wireless controllers is a pain etc. so it works both ways.
If you're gonna ask "where is the case, mouse, cpu.......", it's only fair you ask the same question for the console.
Where is the HD ready LCD TV price?
You might say that the tv is there anyway for watching tv, but then most of your pc is there anyway to go on the net, watch pron or get some work done. So really you only have to take into account the CPU, GFX card, RAM. If you want to get anal then the mobo as well.
All in all you are spending around 2x the price of a 360 for better image quality and in some cases performance, plus the added ability to do a multitude of other tasks.
Where is the HD ready LCD TV price?
You might say that the tv is there anyway for watching tv, but then most of your pc is there anyway to go on the net, watch pron or get some work done. So really you only have to take into account the CPU, GFX card, RAM. If you want to get anal then the mobo as well.
All in all you are spending around 2x the price of a 360 for better image quality and in some cases performance, plus the added ability to do a multitude of other tasks.
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@ lettuce, you do not need an 8800Ultra to compair to a 360, its some kinda ATI 1950 Hybrid card.
Ive already touched on a 360 or PS3 on a normal SDTV at under 800x600 is pointless IMO, most I know buy a HDTV if not own 1 already, even then its said the 360 which does a Max of 720p is actually upscaled
I was playing @ 1280x960 in 2001 lol.
Ive already touched on a 360 or PS3 on a normal SDTV at under 800x600 is pointless IMO, most I know buy a HDTV if not own 1 already, even then its said the 360 which does a Max of 720p is actually upscaled
I was playing @ 1280x960 in 2001 lol.
Well the elite has a 120GB hard drive and HDMI out? Add that to the PC. A 160GB hard drive instead of the 80GB one you picked isnt much extra and DVI to HDMI adaptors cost next to nothing.
No need to get a 8800gtx. We're not comparing the best to the best. We're trying to equate them as much as possible.
If the 360 can match the performance of the 8800gtx at a lower cost, feel free to compare them. The entire forum is full of people doing exactly that, comparing different hardware.
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Spot on.
Btw lettuce. You already have a beast of a PC. So i assume the only reason you have a consoles is because of the convenience they provide as well as being more suited to a living room. I certainly would prefer to play game with a console on a big tv rather than having a pc in the living room or a large tv in the bedroom.
So i assume you're just debating as if you didnt have the pc you already have. Say a regular family with a regular PC.
However, if you make a pc vs console argument about which is more cost effective. You have to remember that that the debate is actually
gaming pc vs console + office pc
As for me comparing the pc to the elite, it may be somewhat unfair. Its similar to how people add the hddvd add on when comparing the 360 to the ps3 unnecessarily.
So i assume you're just debating as if you didnt have the pc you already have. Say a regular family with a regular PC.
However, if you make a pc vs console argument about which is more cost effective. You have to remember that that the debate is actually
gaming pc vs console + office pc
As for me comparing the pc to the elite, it may be somewhat unfair. Its similar to how people add the hddvd add on when comparing the 360 to the ps3 unnecessarily.
I think arguing which is more cost-effective is the fallacy here, ghost101.
Obviously the console is more cost-effective but it doesn't do most of the things a PC can, so it's bound to be. It's also more cost-effective in a gaming sense but you also have to keep in mind that since the Xbox 360 came out it's never been up to PC level in many areas including graphics and online play.
I usually cite Oblivion as an example of this. Launch title, multi-platform, but not only did it run similarly to the PC on equivalent hardware, the PC could slap on the AA/AF and wasn't limited to 720p resolution. Not to mention the extra lease of life it got with mods. Can apply this to tons of games, even including GOW and COD4.
Even an X1950Pro 512MB will give the 360 a hell of a run for its money in COD4, under 720p with no AA/AF and as a bonus you get the mods that will obviously come out (COD2 FKmod anyone?) and free online play with actual dedicated servers. Which are the parts that throw a spanner into the "cost-effective" argument.
This is why people are willing to pay more to game on the PC platform, because you get what you pay for in terms of better visuals, better controls, better online play etc. so when comparing which is more "cost-effective" you have to take all this into account as well. Also think of the back catalogue of games for the PC.
Obviously, in the end, the gamer who has both platforms is the only real winner.
Obviously the console is more cost-effective but it doesn't do most of the things a PC can, so it's bound to be. It's also more cost-effective in a gaming sense but you also have to keep in mind that since the Xbox 360 came out it's never been up to PC level in many areas including graphics and online play.
I usually cite Oblivion as an example of this. Launch title, multi-platform, but not only did it run similarly to the PC on equivalent hardware, the PC could slap on the AA/AF and wasn't limited to 720p resolution. Not to mention the extra lease of life it got with mods. Can apply this to tons of games, even including GOW and COD4.
Even an X1950Pro 512MB will give the 360 a hell of a run for its money in COD4, under 720p with no AA/AF and as a bonus you get the mods that will obviously come out (COD2 FKmod anyone?) and free online play with actual dedicated servers. Which are the parts that throw a spanner into the "cost-effective" argument.
This is why people are willing to pay more to game on the PC platform, because you get what you pay for in terms of better visuals, better controls, better online play etc. so when comparing which is more "cost-effective" you have to take all this into account as well. Also think of the back catalogue of games for the PC.
Obviously, in the end, the gamer who has both platforms is the only real winner.
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Joking aside, writing that I've almost made myself wonder why I have a 360.Well said!!. Except the last bit you bi-platformer).
I guess the reasons I have a 360 come down to two things. Party-play and exclusives.
I'd say "it's also because I can kick back in front of a big screen and relax" but TBH my PC is hooked up to the same TV and they also share the same 5.1 sound system thanks to the miracle of optical audio connections, I often play my PC games like that and it's actually pretty good.
So, bottom line... PC: For when I want luxury gaming. High resolutions, lots of AA/AF, lots of customisability, great online play on-demand with no fees in 99% of cases. Console: For when I want to play a game like Mass Effect or whatever that are exclusives, or games like PGR4 that I can also play with my mates.
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Lol what has this thread and it's negativity towards the console done!!.
It is good when friends come round and yes the odd few games released early on the 360 entitles you first access compared to me. I just invite the friends round that own the 360 and win that way as sitting around the PC with m8's isn't good for anything other than Pro Evo 2008 and NHL08 and a few others.
It is good when friends come round and yes the odd few games released early on the 360 entitles you first access compared to me. I just invite the friends round that own the 360 and win that way as sitting around the PC with m8's isn't good for anything other than Pro Evo 2008 and NHL08 and a few others.
Well when it comes to 360 exclusives for me it's a case of a.) they're never going to be out on PC (PGR) or b.) they're probably going to be out one day but I don't want to wait (GOW).
And yeah I agree with you that you can just use mates 360s for party-play but if you're into exclusives as well then it's a bit of a different story. You can either play them or not and I can't resist a lot of them.
Random off-topic rant: Speaking of exclusives I tried Halo 3 at a mate's house on Saturday night and I thought it was poo. I loved Halo 1 and couldn't really get into Halo 2, but Halo 3 is just dire. Don't quote this, it's about as off-topic as you can get.
And yeah I agree with you that you can just use mates 360s for party-play but if you're into exclusives as well then it's a bit of a different story. You can either play them or not and I can't resist a lot of them.
Random off-topic rant: Speaking of exclusives I tried Halo 3 at a mate's house on Saturday night and I thought it was poo. I loved Halo 1 and couldn't really get into Halo 2, but Halo 3 is just dire. Don't quote this, it's about as off-topic as you can get.
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I have both and it was a waste of £200 for the Xbox. Having said that,though, I dont like football games or racing/driving sims so that, in my opinion, takes out quite a large slice of the market of games. I didn't mind Ninety Nine Nights and Dead Rising, and other novelty games though. I guess The Xbox was just that for me, a novelty.
I played through COD3 on it and it was boring as sin. Auto Aim made it too easy, not using auto aim made it too hard. FPS with a pad i find terribly frustrating.
Now i only turn the Xbox on to charge my mobile (long story).
I played through COD3 on it and it was boring as sin. Auto Aim made it too easy, not using auto aim made it too hard. FPS with a pad i find terribly frustrating.
Now i only turn the Xbox on to charge my mobile (long story).
Apart from my Wii which is used for the beer fests and laughing like hyghena's with the lads over Mario, consoles have not interested me one bit.
I still have a 7900GS sat in my machine and it plays the latest games ( apart from Crysis ) quite happily with most on high settings and maybe a little AA/AF on 1280x1024.
I play many FPS games so give me a kb/mouse to frag around with instead of a gamepad and i'm happier than a pig in turds
With regards to trying out the latest titles before you try then as long as you have a decent internet connection it costs you nothing to get the demos instead of walking down the local newsagents and forking out £5 for a mag with them on a demo disc.
Imo I think the console wars are out performing the pc's currently due to the massive marketing hype that's happening. Do the same advertising on TV/Radio/Mags with pc hardware adding that you would get a far better gaming experience than consoles and the table would turn.
I still have a 7900GS sat in my machine and it plays the latest games ( apart from Crysis ) quite happily with most on high settings and maybe a little AA/AF on 1280x1024.
I play many FPS games so give me a kb/mouse to frag around with instead of a gamepad and i'm happier than a pig in turds
With regards to trying out the latest titles before you try then as long as you have a decent internet connection it costs you nothing to get the demos instead of walking down the local newsagents and forking out £5 for a mag with them on a demo disc.
Imo I think the console wars are out performing the pc's currently due to the massive marketing hype that's happening. Do the same advertising on TV/Radio/Mags with pc hardware adding that you would get a far better gaming experience than consoles and the table would turn.
I would not buy a 360 for a fps game tbh.Consoles have there place and car/sports are it plus when you got kids who dont want to update drivers video cards every month/year is the way to go.....But as i said i am a fps gamer and would not dream of playing that type of game on my 360 cod4 ut3 cod2 etc TF2 i play daily on my pc and have all three (-UT)for my 360 and never play them.
PS. like said fps gaming with a pad is just crap.That said i still play football and car games on it well most sports games nba etc. (360)
PS. like said fps gaming with a pad is just crap.That said i still play football and car games on it well most sports games nba etc. (360)
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Halo 1 and 2 on the PC sucked though. They feel much more fluid on the console with a pad.
Ye true name some more plus these games(halo1/2) was made for console gaming and not pc's but i agree.But never been a big halo fan.And most not all fps games are cross overs from pc or made for pc and badly ported for console.