Cyber-Mav said:
LOL what a complete load of ****.
Show me an XBox 360 running games at 1920 x 1200 with 4xAA 16xAF SSTAA and getting decent frame rates (i.e. 40+) and then you'll be right....oh wait, XBox 360 couldn't get anywhere close to that.
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LOL what a complete load of ****.
Show me an XBox 360 running games at 1920 x 1200 with 4xAA 16xAF SSTAA and getting decent frame rates (i.e. 40+) and then you'll be right....oh wait, XBox 360 couldn't get anywhere close to that.
Hav
I wouldnt be surprised if the X360 is more powerful at the res its aimed at. The ondie ram gives free AA so that would probably be the deciding factor... but er yeah against XFire and SLI it would still probably win at that res - cpu limitation / overhead of joining the images etc assuming that ott AA/AF isnt used.
In terms of high res - dual gpu rigs would easily pull away. I mean whats the max res the X360 supports... like 1280?
In terms of high res - dual gpu rigs would easily pull away. I mean whats the max res the X360 supports... like 1280?
The 360 is not comparable to anything on th market pc wise.
For one it uses architecture that the pc has yet to be given and which we won't see until DX10. (Unified shaders)
The main advantage to the Xenos (codenamed 'R500' (albeit nothing like R520/580) is the fact it can apply up to a maximum of 4x AA without a performance hit (due to the embedded 10mb of DRam on the daughter die). However the programmers need to know what they are doing in order to get the most out of the machine which at the moment is not tha case.
The 360 is also running its own version of Direct X which is sort of a DX9 / DX10 mix although it is not bound by a single shader path.
Better games will come with time. Whereas all of our graphics cards will be basically useless game wise (if you want all the eye candy) once DX10 is launched.
For one it uses architecture that the pc has yet to be given and which we won't see until DX10. (Unified shaders)
The main advantage to the Xenos (codenamed 'R500' (albeit nothing like R520/580) is the fact it can apply up to a maximum of 4x AA without a performance hit (due to the embedded 10mb of DRam on the daughter die). However the programmers need to know what they are doing in order to get the most out of the machine which at the moment is not tha case.
The 360 is also running its own version of Direct X which is sort of a DX9 / DX10 mix although it is not bound by a single shader path.
Better games will come with time. Whereas all of our graphics cards will be basically useless game wise (if you want all the eye candy) once DX10 is launched.
Ok, imagine say the next gen Xbox is keyboard/mouse compatible for example. How much is it gonna cost? Say £350 (arbitrary figure there). then how much would a pc of "comparable" gaming performance cost, £800-£1000 ish?
From a cost point of view its a no brainer to me. No compatibility issues at all, internet access available, keyboard and mouse compatibility, why have a pc that costs 3 times as much?
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy messing with computers, but the cost is getting prohibitively high now, and I can see pc component manufacturers pricing themselves out of certain market segments (enthusiast and highend users) if they're not careful. This is only pure speculation on my part but I reckon its food for thought.
From a cost point of view its a no brainer to me. No compatibility issues at all, internet access available, keyboard and mouse compatibility, why have a pc that costs 3 times as much?
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy messing with computers, but the cost is getting prohibitively high now, and I can see pc component manufacturers pricing themselves out of certain market segments (enthusiast and highend users) if they're not careful. This is only pure speculation on my part but I reckon its food for thought.
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hi.
i have a pretty good pc.
7800 gtx and 3800 amd proc,i also have a 360 xbox.
the truth of the matter is graphics on the xbox is pretty close to my pc.
but for £270 you get great online play and no hassle setting up.
i was playing blazing angels tonight on line 10 players no slowdown or lag.
great smoke and cloud effects and good banter over headset.
i think the xbox360 beats the pc for super gameplay.
the pc will never catch up to xbox live.
cheers ian.
i have a pretty good pc.
7800 gtx and 3800 amd proc,i also have a 360 xbox.
the truth of the matter is graphics on the xbox is pretty close to my pc.
but for £270 you get great online play and no hassle setting up.
i was playing blazing angels tonight on line 10 players no slowdown or lag.
great smoke and cloud effects and good banter over headset.
i think the xbox360 beats the pc for super gameplay.
the pc will never catch up to xbox live.
cheers ian.
The ability to mod and tweak games is what makes the pc platform the best (imo). Look at oblivion. Theres loads of mods and tweaks out there for it and none of them can be used on the xbox 360.
For someone wanting to play a game out of the box with no issues I can see why a console is good. But I would go mental not being able to use the mods and tweaks out there for games.
For someone wanting to play a game out of the box with no issues I can see why a console is good. But I would go mental not being able to use the mods and tweaks out there for games.
hi.
i just want to be able to have fun playing games not playing around for ages getting games to run properly.
playing games on a big screen makes a hell of a difference.
i still love my pc but like a lot of people i am sick of spending large amounts of money just to keep up.at least with a console you are ok for a few years,the way graphics cards are going if you could afford it you could be upgrading every six months.
you can even get second hand xbox360 games now for £20.
cheers ian.
i just want to be able to have fun playing games not playing around for ages getting games to run properly.
playing games on a big screen makes a hell of a difference.
i still love my pc but like a lot of people i am sick of spending large amounts of money just to keep up.at least with a console you are ok for a few years,the way graphics cards are going if you could afford it you could be upgrading every six months.
you can even get second hand xbox360 games now for £20.
cheers ian.
sorry to dredge this post up, but from what youve said here im assuming you own a core 360?turtle3 said:All the current top end cards will be better than 360 graphics when coupled with a decent system. I would say my 6800gt sli set up is better than my 360 graphics, I am finding the 360 struggling with the last two games I bought, in fact ive just got oblivion for my pc as the framerate on the 360 is terrible and i found it almost unplayable, Ive yet to install oblivion on my pc so fingers crossed it will handle it better than the 360 keep an eye out and ill post up as to what version runs best.
as its been dragged up, as mentioned above... to sum up the 360 vs PC argument u just have to look at the price
Xbox 360: £300
Gaming Rig: £1200 (using my sig as example)
yea my rig may out perform the 360 slightly but it did cost 4x as much wtf u expect. i mean my gfx card was more expensive than the 360 lol.
if you look at it that way 360 wins hands down
Xbox 360: £300
Gaming Rig: £1200 (using my sig as example)
yea my rig may out perform the 360 slightly but it did cost 4x as much wtf u expect. i mean my gfx card was more expensive than the 360 lol.
if you look at it that way 360 wins hands down
Im just curious... does this kinda arguement go on everytime a new console is released? Did the first xbox beat the pc in the flame wars? It doesnt really seem to get anywhere does it.
At the end of the day if u only wana play games go ahead, buy an xbox360, they're the first console thats made me think... wow thats not bad for a console. But if u want to do more than just play games (a lot more) get a pc, or both!
I myself wouldnt buy an "idiot box" because a) i cant afford one and b) it would bore me in a couple of days
i enjoy tinkering/customising harware... trying out new bits of software, facegen is great fun for example 
many a friends face distorted and turned into freaks, do that on an xbox
Anyone seen that watercooled 360? http://watercooling.50webs.com/1/
At the end of the day if u only wana play games go ahead, buy an xbox360, they're the first console thats made me think... wow thats not bad for a console. But if u want to do more than just play games (a lot more) get a pc, or both!
I myself wouldnt buy an "idiot box" because a) i cant afford one and b) it would bore me in a couple of days
i enjoy tinkering/customising harware... trying out new bits of software, facegen is great fun for example many a friends face distorted and turned into freaks, do that on an xbox Anyone seen that watercooled 360? http://watercooling.50webs.com/1/
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turtle3 said:
I think that's an important point also, the joypad plays a great part in giving the illusion that the 360 is smoother than it actually is, take oblivion for example, setup that up with a joypad on the pc version and the game feels a lot smoother, yet as soon as you move the mouse you can see it's laggy, I think if you could use a mouse on the 360 version it would be very laggy also, infact probably worse than the pc version.
Doesn't matter how much powerfull a pc is too the 360, if they are as its early days, the simple fact is the 360 will have better games than the pc as more developers will produce for it.
I still can't belive people can compare a pc for gaming that costs £1300 too a £270 console, i would expect the pc to be 4x as good for that price, and the 360 has far superior games out atm and its only been out 4 months.
I still can't belive people can compare a pc for gaming that costs £1300 too a £270 console, i would expect the pc to be 4x as good for that price, and the 360 has far superior games out atm and its only been out 4 months.
Also, despite all of MS hype there hasnt been a SINGLE game released that runs at 720p,4xAA,60FPS.
They have all had to make sacrifices in one or more of the above criteria to get an acceptable frame rate.
example
PGR3 = no 720p, 2xAA, 30FPS....yuk.
So much for AA being 'free' on the 360.
In a couple of years time maybe that will have changed, but at the minute its performing no better than a single core 2-3ghz CPU and 9800pro level gfx.
They have all had to make sacrifices in one or more of the above criteria to get an acceptable frame rate.
example
PGR3 = no 720p, 2xAA, 30FPS....yuk.
So much for AA being 'free' on the 360.
In a couple of years time maybe that will have changed, but at the minute its performing no better than a single core 2-3ghz CPU and 9800pro level gfx.
Jabbs said:
Also a load of nonsense - an XBox is built for one purpose: gaming.
A PC is much more diverse. To me a PC is better than a console any day. I can't write letters on an XBox for example, yet I can play any game on the PC that I could play on the XBox and it looks far more gorgeous, plus far more playable (I intensly dislike joypads, especially for FPS which forms the core of my gaming enjoyment).
Hav
Another thing to consider is that you can have an Xbox for gaming that'll give you a reasonably nice quality picture and smooth gameplay with no compatibility issues at all, for £350 ish, PLUS you can have a pc that'll do all the other stuff needed, course work, internet, emails, d/l music, etc for around £200, and you can fiddle with that all day if you want, lol. Total cost £550, still virtually half of what a high end pc would cost.
My reasoning is that the highest cost components for running pc games are the cpu, memory and vidcard, (like £300-£350 for a highend graphics card 'frinstance, that'll virtually buy the s/h, maybe even brand new components to build a pc to do all the afforementioned pc related tasks). I'm not disputing the fact that a highend pc will out perform an Xbox, but from a cost aspect, ppl might start to look at alternatives to high cost graphics solutions.
More food for thought.
My reasoning is that the highest cost components for running pc games are the cpu, memory and vidcard, (like £300-£350 for a highend graphics card 'frinstance, that'll virtually buy the s/h, maybe even brand new components to build a pc to do all the afforementioned pc related tasks). I'm not disputing the fact that a highend pc will out perform an Xbox, but from a cost aspect, ppl might start to look at alternatives to high cost graphics solutions.
More food for thought.