Xbox 360 Slim?

Anyone that thinks not having wireless built into the 360 is a good thing because it makes the 360 cheaper is being silly honestly, for a deceive to be introduced to the market place in today's world that offers the feature set that the 360 does and not to include an internal wireless receiver is complete nonsense.

My DS has a built-in wireless receiver, as does my PSP, as does my Wii, hell even my mobile phone has it, practically every modern device that is either games driven or multi-media centric has wireless as standard, the cost of implementing a wireless receiver into a deceive is pence these days and can be done with little to no effect on the consumer purchase price of the product, the only reason MS aren't doing this is to rip people off.
 
Hope a 360 slim does come, would be nice and sexy i think.

Any item I can use an ethernet cable with Ill use a cable for my network connection, just because I personally dont trust wireless to be consistantly good.

Come onnnnn slim 360 :D
 
lowrider007 said:
the only reason MS aren't doing this is to rip people off.
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my rip-off adapter works, my PS3 is connected by cable because the wireless is carp.

M$ want to make money, whats wrong with that?

i bet you only ever buy own brand products from supermarkets and always the cheapest tech etc etc.

whats that:eek: no:), just when it's by M$ do you mind.
 
lowrider007 said:
Anyone that thinks not having wireless built into the 360 is a good thing because it makes the 360 cheaper is being silly honestly, for a deceive to be introduced to the market place in today's world that offers the feature set that the 360 does and not to include an internal wireless receiver is complete nonsense.

My DS has a built-in wireless receiver, as does my PSP, as does my Wii, hell even my mobile phone has it, practically every modern device that is either games driven or multi-media centric has wireless as standard, the cost of implementing a wireless receiver into a deceive is pence these days and can be done with little to no effect on the consumer purchase price of the product, the only reason MS aren't doing this is to rip people off.
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No microsoft arent doing it because they realise for a media centric device, especialy one that delivers HD media, the best way to do it is over a wired connection, not some shonky wifi. They are trying to educate people, not rip them off ;)

All you would hear if it was built in, would be people whining about how their 1080p movies stutter when they try to stream it over wifi. Get over it, CAT5 maybe 25 year old technology, but it is certainly quicker and far more robust than wifi, whether it be a/b/g or n. You want the best experience from your console, run it over a wired connection.
 
Yungstar 2006 said:
M$ want to make money, whats wrong with that?
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I can't believe people still use the dollar sign instead of using an S.

SimonR said:
No microsoft arent doing it because they realise for a media centric device, especialy one that delivers HD media, the best way to do it is over a wired connection, not some shonky wifi. They are trying to educate people, not rip them off ;)

All you would hear if it was built in, would be people whining about how their 1080p movies stutter when they try to stream it over wifi. Get over it, CAT5 maybe 25 year old technology, but it is certainly quicker and far more robust than wifi, whether it be a/b/g or n. You want the best experience from your console, run it over a wired connection.
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I can stream 1080p movies over my ps3 wifi no problem. You talk jibby jabba.
 
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Other way round actually MS don't include the wireless so they can charge the unsuspecting public £40 for wifi which they probably make £30 profit from.

If they included it they wouldn't make as much money just as they rip people off over the hard drives.
 
C64 said:
Other way round actually MS don't include the wireless so they can charge the unsuspecting public £40 for wifi which they probably make £30 profit from.

If they included it they wouldn't make as much money just as they rip people off over the hard drives.
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It's just MS's strategy..

Up until recently, they offered HD gaming for £130.. they didn't force you to spend £250 even if you didn't want the features just to play a game..

I agree that the peripherals are over priced, but this has always been the case, it's about choice.

I don't think other people can single the $ sign just for MS, they all are pretty much after your money, full stop. I don't have an issue with any of their strategies, especially Sony, all I want from a PS3 is to play games, the fact I have to pay more to experience this is just the price I have to pay (even if technically it is good VFM).

And, looking on various e-tailers, some Netgear/Belkin/Dlink usb N dongles cost £40 upwards, some aren't even dual band at that price.. granted you can slightly less well known ones for £12-£20, but it's not as if the MS adapter is priced above normal market prices and it seems to be a high quality dual band 300mbps device too.

e.g. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=NW-107-BE&groupid=46&catid=1600&subcat=
 
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Huh the dongles are like wireless N and even those can be had for £10-£20 good branded ones.
We are talking about microsofts wireless G dongle right ?

I think they did it for two reasons first to keep console price down second to make that money back by overcharging on the accessories.
So really the consoles price in relation to sony's is an illusion.
 
C64 said:
Huh the dongles are like wireless N and even those can be had for £10-£20 good branded ones.
We are talking about microsofts wireless G dongle right ?

I think they did it for two reasons first to keep console price down second to make that money back by overcharging on the accessories.
So really the consoles price in relation to sony's is an illusion.
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The adapter I am talking about is the MS wireless 'N' adapter (all they sell). it's dual band, two aerials etc, it seems comparable to the £40-£45 belkin/netgear adapters.. of course cheap USB 'N', less well known brands are available for less money, but all I'm saying is that compared to well known branded USB N adapters, it's not actually that overpriced at all.

And regarding actual console price, It's just not that black and white is it..
MS have the cheapest entry point, you only pay for the premium priced accessories if you need them.. But Sony do charge you extra whether you want it or not.. Neither is perfect, it's up to the individual which provides best VFM for them (An unused/un-needed feature that cost money is poor VFM for an individual). You are applying worse case as being the norm for the 360.. And you are on an enthusiast forum where tech-savviness is pretty rife?

I do think MS should add a WiFi adapter in the price of the console, it is quite a universal connection method, even if it's not 'ideal' for gaming in some scenarios. However if they choose to keep the console price as low as they can and give you the choice of sorting out your own network (Could use WAP as a bridge, or Homeplugs, or whatever), or if you know no better buy what is a good quality N adapter for £45-£50 which as shown is in the ballpark as other premium N adapters from the more well known companies.

I don't see the need to hate, that is all. I have no real axe to grind against either company (inc Ninty as well), I was savvy, I didn't pay MS for the adapter, I ripped them off, by buying an Elite with 4 games, an extra controller for £160, and haven't bought any of the overpriced add-ons..
 
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If the 360 had built in wireless, the console price difference would be minimal. Only reasoning for the PS3s higher price range is\was the Cell yield and the Bluray drives. Built in wireless costs hardly anything to impliment. So to leave it out of the 360 and then charge the public £40 for the adapter seems 100% money making.

its not "educating us" it's simply making extra money off the general public ontop of the initial console purchase.

This isnt a sony is better than microsoft pitch.

Microsoft is a business so it's not to be unexpected
 
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wannabedamned said:
If the 360 had built in wireless, the console price difference would be minimal. Only reasoning for the PS3s higher price range is\was the Cell yield and the Bluray drives. Built in wireless costs hardly anything to impliment. So to leave it out of the 360 and then charge the public £40 for the adapter seems 100% money making.

its not "educating us" it's simply making extra money off the general public ontop of the initial console purchase.

This isnt a sony is better than microsoft pitch.

Microsoft is a business so it's not to be unexpected
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I agree with all of that!..

I agree it's not an MS vs Sony, but they do have different strategies, and depending on the individual, one of those strategies will suit you price wise, and one won't. There is little to really argue over, there is no wrong/right answer, they both are out to get money out of you in similar quantities..
 
bloodline76 said:
Why is the ps3 wireless carp? I get 95% signal strength on mine. Never had a problem for gaming.
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good for you, for me it is terrible. mind.... it was fine for on-line gaming, it was just the slow speeds when downloading from PSN that let it down.

i've said it before and i'll say it again.

i have 3 wireless consoles a 3 wireless laptops and the PS3 is the only one that gave me grief, plugged a cable in and it's sorted.

of course, plugging the cable in was not a problem, but i suppose i've paid Sony for a wireless adapter that is not fit for purpose.
 
Yungstar 2006 said:
but i suppose i've paid Sony for a wireless adapter that is not fit for purpose.
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You can't qualify that statement just from your experience. I can counteract it by saying I get 100% wireless signal strength and I always download at my max throughput - 1.4MB/sec on PSN. :)
 
Yungstar 2006 said:
but i suppose i've paid Sony for a wireless adapter that is not fit for purpose.
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I've used my PS3's Wi-Fi from the start and never had an issue and I've had 3 different routers since owning my PS3, I nearly get max bandwidth when downloading, nat type 2, and I can stream 1080p to my system with a hitch using PS3 media server.

Do you have UPnP enabled on your router? and when you run the 'Internet Connection Test' on your PS3 does it state that UPnP is 'available' ?

What nat type do you have showing in the 'connection test' ?

If you haven't already tried to do so try opening these ports,

3478 to 3658 UDP

80 to 80 TCP

443 to 443TCP

5223 to 5223 TCP

Or check to see if your router has a profile for PSN or PS3 that you can enable.

Also try setting up your PS3 network settings manually.

And if that doesn't work try whacking your PS3 in the DMZ

Failing that see if there is a FW update for your Router, do a google search for people having similar problems with your router model.
 
im with you on this one mushii, i don't use wireless for my 360 either, i use a good old fashioned, reliable as wood burning stove cable, how many disconnects have i had, non that i can remember and me mate has had tons (he uses wireless), get faster download rates using my cable than using wireless as well and plus the cable isn't exactly expensive or bulky and can be easily routed out of sight with a bit of thought. still that doesn't change the fact me 360s DVD drive is louder than gigaton nuclear explosion, stupid thing makes me floor vibrate for crying out loud! still must have one of the 'newer' revisions since i use it a lot and its never broke down, doesn't put out any noticable heat either :) so its not all bad
 
with regards to the wireless, surely it takes 2 to tango here :p for the wireless dongle to even work you need a wireless router too....could it just be that some peoples wireless experience is let down by a poor router/firmware rather than MS being evil and selling a "crappy/overpriced product"?

Can't say I've ever had any issues or dropouts using wireless on a 360 with my trusty old WRT54GL and Tomato :)
 
MS must be laughing all the way to the bank with the current xbox's so its about time an 'improved' one arrived

if it doesnt sound like a jet engine because of a £2 dvd drive (in a £200 rrp console ffs) and has wireless built/thrown in then id probably upgrade on release day
 
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