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Shamikebab said:
^ Yeah you're right. No FPS games sell on console right now.
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Of course they do, with everyone using the same poor device, so they can all be equally handicapped compared to a KB&M. The advanatages are a simple install and run with little chance of bugs, larger user base for game matching and from what I hear less cheating.

The question is why not KB&M on console, probably because there is a clear benefit in FPS and those not investing will be left behind. Yet they allow joysticks, flighsticks, wheels in other games and those not investing also get left behind. Whether the difference is as much as KB&M vs Gamepad in FPS I doubt it.
 
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If MS allowed a K&M on the xbox I would be using them, Surely so would anybody that wants to compete.

But they're not, and that's the point.
 
ruffneck said:
If MS allowed a K&M on the xbox I would be using them, Surely so would anybody that wants to compete.

But they're not, and that's the point.
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That's part of the point, but can't we ask the question why not. From your comment I take it you think they are banned because they would give a great advantage in FPS. Which would make the game better for many (not all) users, give them more control, bring their skill to the fore better, etc. But Microsoft won't move on the matter, why not, because they would have to admit the gamepad aint best for the job.

If it was, the KB&M wouldn't be banned and you and others wouldn't move to it if it was allowed and there wouldn't be companies selling XIM like products. It's banned because it's the better interface for certain games, that is ridiculous. Why XBox FPS users aren't getting more vocal about allowing KB&M is the mystery to me that I'm trying to tease out here. Is there just not a large number who know/believe/care the KB&M is so much better?
 
anticonscience said:
Even with one of these, it's not going to make you a good player instantly.
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But it is in the long term going to allow you to be a better player than you could ever be on the game pad. We have a guy in our group who could play pretty well on the XBox, used the pad in Black Ops on PC and did OK but stuggled in certain situations. He took the plunge and used the KB&M on PC with us, took him less than 20 hours play to get better than the game pad.
 
ruffneck said:
Probably, I think it also comes down to the very idea of a console, you know sitting back on your couch relaxing, not sat upright at a desk with a keyboard and mouse in try hard mode.
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Indeed.

Not to mention they also had to shed their image of being a computer operating system company, which people liked to hate on back when they first launched the Xbox, they wanted a piece of what Sony had.

They've added so many things that get even further away from needing a keyboard and mouse since the Xbox 360 launched (Motion Control, Voice Control, Tablet Control, Messenger Pad) that there is no way they will ever launch or allow such a peripheral for it.
 
So I assume everyone is fine with turbo/Autofire controllers and so on. Seeing as the line seems to be whether Microsoft has allowed it and they licensed a turbo a controller, then they are all good and not cheating?
 
these areguments of pad/k&m lol. K&M is beter everyone knows that, but for consoles jsut use the pad... once your used to it you wont notice much, its all in your head. Soon ul be flicking the thumstick with precision to the head, just takes a bit of playtime to adjust to it and most people get annoyed after 10 mins because it feels awkward and then give up. Dunno watch the top players on consoles aim, there as accurate as pc players, untill of course they face them then its a different story because of the difference!
 
Armadillo said:
So I assume everyone is fine with turbo/Autofire controllers and so on. Seeing as the line seems to be whether Microsoft has allowed it and they licensed a turbo a controller, then they are all good and not cheating?
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If its licensed then fair enough.

I'm yet to encounter a third party controller that is better than the original, so it would be a compromise as far as I see it.
 
I own a xim360 and bought a xim edge this week. I've had the xim360 since 2010.

Anyone that says a xim is an advantage hasnt used one.

Xim doesnt = mouse and keyboard.

I'm excellent with mouse and keybaord on pc in games like bf3, cod and dayz.

The xim isn't a magical aimbot, you won't buy one and become exceptional, any good pad player will gie you a run for your money. You have got to accept that xim isnt the same as mouse and keyboard, it is close, but it is not the same.

The videos you see on the xim website are the same vids you see on youtube of 100 kills and 3 deaths with a pad, i.e they don't happen often, but those are the showcased vids.

Simply put, if you put the time in to a control pad you will be just as good, reason being the console versions of these games are so assisted they fight the xim.

This has never been more true than the current fps releases, blops 2 and halo 4, these 2 games are worse than ever with xim, many xim users on the forums are doing better with pad this time around.

Spend a day watching cod showcases on youtube from pad users. You'll see exceptional play from dedicated players. The same exceptional play being shown off by xim users who aremjust as dedicated.

I'll say it again, xim doesn't = mouse and keyboard. I wish it did, but it simply is only a rough aproximation, pad users are capable of the same thing, especially in blops 2.

Lastly, ms has gone on record saying the xim/ other mouse and kb adapters aren't illigal.

Personally my advice is not to bother, learn to use a pad, in the current and presumable future game releases, you'll do better.
 
Nexus said:
If its licensed then fair enough.

I'm yet to encounter a third party controller that is better than the original, so it would be a compromise as far as I see it.
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Arbiter chip, inside original ms controller.
Rapid fire on the Fal, more of an unfair advantage than someone using mouse and keyboard.
Auto dropshot etc.
Good m+k players players play on pc, average ones who are useless with a pad play on xbox, let them, i dont mind, just ban the modded controllers plz
 
Im going to be picking one of these up shortly (Xim Edge) for my 360 and PS3. Now before the cheating debate starts again, Im not actually using it for 'an unfair advantage in multiplayer'.

Im actually using it to play 360 and PS3 exclusive titles that I would prefer to play with a keyboard and mouse. For example, singleplayer in Killzone on the PS3 and Gears of War 2 on 360 etc. I have no interest in the multiplayer side of the games, I get my multiplayer kicks from the PC playing BF3 and CoD.

The reason Im getting one is because for me any game that involves 'aiming' I am utter cack with a controller, I was brought up on keyboard and mouse and hate using the controller for shooting games. Driving games - fantastic, but most other genres I just dont get enjoyment playing the game with a controller, I lose interest as I find the controller slow and hap-hazard when aiming. I just cant get my head around it and never will.

Also, I have created my gaming 'hub' with an HDMI switch so I can play either the PS3, PC or 360 at the desk with the monitor, keyboard and mouse or on the TV with the controller depending on what game Im playing and what system is playing it. Its great, I recommend it to anyone.

So, all this flaming talk all the time about cheating does not include everyone, Im just looking forward to playing through the story of a AAA FPS game on the console with a kb+m, the way I will enjoy it.
 
Perhaps you need to see your GP, you might have an issue with hand-eye motor control if you cant fathom it - best to catch these neurological conditions early, though most are degenerative but prognosis can lead to a good standard of living!

Glad you brought this up as there are obviously people out there that actually require the use of such tools to enable them to play games that most of us can get used to using a standard controller. It does seem that console game developers are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to controls and accessibility...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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