Xsara VTS - Any good?

spoonz said:
Whats your budget, Im sure we can find something better.
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you simply won't.

quite a rare car to come by but an 03-04 low mileage minter can be had for around 2k now easily.

absolute bargain and bundles of fun. :)

generally pretty reliable too. the standard phase 2 is ugly so keep to the phase 1 or 2.5.

anymore questions fire away. :)
 
My dad uses the vtr, he does about 24k miles a year, little problems with it, good off the line and in the corners for the price (it's not a boat). It only does about 35mpg though and not overly roomy.
 
fonzee you can easily pick up a Honda Civic VTI-S for £2k with less than 100k. We all know Honda's don't break and as long as you keep on top of oil checks then there will be no issues.

I would much rather do 16k a year in a Honda than a Citreon. Oh and who cares if Fox don't like Civic's or Chavics as he might call them.

They don't look half bad either (the one below is modified but you get the idea):

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Also with a few choice mods will be easily faster than any VTS Citreon - all IMO of course.
 
They are about the same performance stock, so surely with a few choice mods the VTS Xsara would then be the same speed as the modified Honda? :D

Not sure what sort of point you were making there!
 
ethos said:
They are about the same performance stock, so surely with a few choice mods the VTS Xsara would then be the same speed as the modified Honda? :D

Not sure what sort of point you were making there!
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Will be lucky to get many gains from the engine for cheap.

Only way of gaining any significant power is by changing the cams or installing ITBs, but then not really what you want to do on a daily driver.
 
Well the both cars perform the same when stock.

But with the civic (as I have one) - I have added the integra box with the shorter ratios. This has improved acceleration overall. Also Changing the entire exhaust system from manifold to backbox and a K&N panel filter has added more power.

My point is the ease of mods available for the Civic are not the same for the VTS. Remember the Civic MB6 shares or can accept parts form other B Series Engined Hondas inc EK9,DC2,EK4. I am only refering to bolt on mods not rebuilding engine as that as said above would be pointless on a mile muncher.
 
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And i would rather keep my 5 speed VTS gearbox for the motorway.

Rather than listen to some jumped up shopping car with a 4" moytobashi exhaust trying to get up a slight hill doing 7k rpm (vtec y0).

Because the gearing is oh so short for that all important 0-60 traffic light dash, so that its revving its bloody knackers off in top gear at 70mph ;)
 
Who poked you up the arse this morning - FFS only trying to make a point.

Where did I mention 0-60 matters, I was merely putting up stats I found on the web. Also where did I mention 4" exhaust - not all people who own Honda modify them to chav stds, mines looks and sound std.

And where do you get this crap info of revving its knackers off at 70mph - with my current box the car sits at 4krpm when doing 70mph in 5th.

You sir are are very short temepered in you responses. Maybe time of the month. I very rarely post on this forum due to responses like yours. You are entitled to your opinion but there is such a thing as kindness in your response and being diplomatic about how you word your response. **** this I can't be arsed. Sorry berger for breathing.
 
IPBA said:
Where did I mention 0-60 matters, Also where did I mention 4" exhaust - not all people who own Honda modify them to chav stds, mines looks and sound std.


"This has improved acceleration to below the 7sec mark. Also Changing the entire exhaust system from manifold to backbox and a K&N panel filter has added more power."
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Did you miss the ;) smiley, I wasnt being totally serious.

Not a lot of point comparing standard to modified unless you plan on modifying the car yourself.
 
Berger the key words in my statement being improved acceleration not improved 0-60mph. Improved acceleration could mean 30-70mph etc.

I am not a 0-60mph - I hate those who engage in traffic light GPs.

Improved acceleration is very handy on the Mway when overtaking so a faster box will help in that area.
 
GT3 said:
Because of foglights in the bumper and a chrome strip on the boot :confused: They are both ugly, phase 1 is ok just a little bland
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P2 front bumper is hideous. lines do not suit the rest of the car at all.

IPBA, civic VTI-S is another good shout yes. but still doesnt come close for value for money. your talking a good 3-5 years older and a lot more mileage just to start with. i'm a big honda fan but still the VTS represents far better value for money.
 
Pull the other one, you were refering to 0-60 otherwise you wouldnt have said, or would have refered to the speeds you were alluring to.

Ie:

0 - 60mph in secs. 8.2
30 - 50mph in secs. (4th gear) 6.5
50 - 70mph in secs. (4th gear) 7.1

As for overtaking on the motorway, a little forward planning means you dont require a shorter legged gearbox and there is no rush to get past people.... your not going to run out of road and there is no danger of on-coming traffic. :p
 
I can be as vague as I like in my statements - what you can read my mind now - I know what my intention was when I made that statement about acceleration and it was not about 0-60mph. What if I had put 60-100mph as a stat would you have then held me to that?

Really dude I wish I had not posted any stats and then made that statement on improved acceleration - would you then have jumped on my head saying I was referring to 0-60mph? I merely posted stats after a quick google that was all as 0-60mph is what most places list.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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IPBA said:
I can be as vague as I like in my statements - what you can read my mind now - I know what my intention was when I made that statement about acceleration and it was not about 0-60mph. What if I had put 60-100mph as a stat would you have then held me to that?

Really dude I wish I had not posted any stats and then made that statement on improved acceleration - would you then have jumped on my head saying I was referring to 0-60mph?
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I wouldnt have jumped on you at all, I may have asked how much of a difference it makes, in which case you could say....

"I havent had a G-Meter on my car, but roughly it now does 0-60 in ~7 seconds, about half a second quicker than it used to."

Or you could have said.

"Its added some bhp, and it now takes 37.54 seconds for me to get the car off my drive and go up my road and back again, park up and put the handbrake on."

Of course this second statement is completely unhelpful as I have never seen your road, or your drive.

"This has improved acceleration to below the 7sec mark"

Is also completely usless UNLESS YOU GIVE A FIGURE WHICH YOUR RELATING THIS TO.

I had assumed 0-60mph (as would 99% of other people) as it is a VERY similar figure to the previous ones where you mentioned the book times.
 
IPBA said:
fonzee you can easily pick up a Honda Civic VTI-S for £2k with less than 100k. We all know Honda's don't break
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They do break, distributor failure is not just common but almost inevitable at higher mileages on the B16/18 engines. Mine failed at 140k (though had a slight misfire from about 120k that I could never trace, gone with new dizzy), but a friend is now on his 5th VTi, and has had to replace distributors in 4 of them, all with mileages between 100k-130k.

Also if you suggest that stock 0-60 is 7.7s, and then suggest the integra box has "improved acceleration to below the 7sec mark", then what on earth are we supposed to think you are talking about? You were either refering to 0-60 both times, or what you were saying is a waste of time because there could be no comparison of performance improvement.
 
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There I have changed what I said in my original post to be more in tune with what I meant. I have even removed the stats. As for the reliability dogbreath Honda's don't break was a sweeping statement in terms of general reliability.

IMO Honda are more reliable than Citreons. I have had 5 Hondas now and all have been trouble free. Yes I have replaced wear and tear stuff and yess all cars have common faults but the Honda will spend more time on the road than in the workshop. But Citreon drivers will say the opposite so MEH!
 
I've owned a Xsara (had 30k miles and 4 years old when I bought it) and it was terrible for reliability....
 
I've had 12 citroen/pugs and never had to replace anything other than wear and tear parts. Ok some things wear and tear quicker than other marques but then the price of the car and the parts offsets this.
 
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