yes i think i will get a....

[BoomAM]

WHY would i LIE about my N91 saying its better than my IPOD 5G when i have them both?

To prove your point? You'd be suprised by a lot of people on forums, the lengths they'd go to to be 'right'. lol.

i can take a picture of both and upload a picture of them if you want me to prove that i have both of them...

I havnt doubted that you have both?

ipod 5g's only have 10 hours battery life it doesnt matter what reviews say when the product came out because theyre bias, try reading user reviews on forums...at half or just above half volume the battery life is around 8-12 hours 10 hours average

I used to have a 60G 5g iPod. (Sold it because i needed the money), and i easyily got 15 hours with it on random at about 70% volume, and around 18-19hours with it on normal play mode. My mate has the new Nano, and he gets 11 hours with it.
Unfortunatelly my K800 doesnt get anywhere near that. (Should have got the W950).

and a lot of forum members get around 15 hours + playback with their N91 without taking calls or any mobile stuff and they get around 16-19 hours when its in offline mode...i get around 25 hours of playback (only tried it once) the best my ipod has given me is 15 hours and that was because i didnt go to the menu once apart from choosing a song to start with and the volume was realtively low

Ah, so when everything is switched off but the music player you get decent play time? So explain the point in having the 'phone functions' if your not gonna use them to get decent 'sound life'?

the ipod may have a metal back but touch its screen or anywhere else and you get an immediate scratch...and please dont defend the ipod build quality, you know, i know and so does everyone else, its crap to say the best...join any forums and youll see...ive even read in apple magazines people writing in about complaints of there ipod build quality and reliability

Again, im not the one who brought up build quality at all. And im quite happy to admit the build quality, inregards to scratches/dents is horrendus.
But as for reliability, iPods still carry the stigma of past iPods, even though the problems dont exist anymore than any other device thats around.
Its simple. A device with 70%+ market share is obviously gonna get more complaints than a device with sub 1%. Is that an indication of build quality? Nope, its simply the results being inflated because of the volume shipped. Im sure that if any music player got the same market share, that there would be a similar amount of 'reliability problems'.
But again, im not the one who brought that up, so i cant see why your defending it when you brought it up.

and answer me this: why do reviews say it has around 3 hours of call time but only 6 hours of music playback? call time depletes the battery around 4 times (at the least) more than playing music does so why would playback time only be 2 times as long?

Easy. Because it is a multi-function device and should function as so, so making excuses because it lasts longer with everything 'off' isnt really something thats helping your original point is it? Which was that its worth buying because its a phone as well.

Again, ive got nothing against the N91 itself, its a good little device. But to compare it to a standalone MP3 player is a little daft really.

lol yeah i know people with 3tb's of music...all ripped at the highest quality...

i have around 65gb but only listen to around 30gb

Same here. I could probably get by with a 8Gb player, even though i have 50Gb+ of music.

 

[Mayhs]

i said that with it in offline mode average people get 20 hours...when its in online mode and you do take calls and use it as a normal phone, usage obviously depends on the person but around 1 day battery with 1 hours of calls and around 10 texts you get around 10-12 hours which is simply amazing...

if you ONLY listen to music but its very unlikely, i tried it and i got 25 hours and then in offline mode which it was on and i didnt know (i wondered why my phone never rang or i got no texts lol) i easily went to 18 hours and lost 2 out of 7 battery things...and then i put it on online and was on the phone for agees

its fair to assume that battery life is the same on the N91 and the 5G ipod... but sound quality is easily superior on the N91

 

[BoomAM]

...you get around 10-12 hours which is simply amazing...

Its not though really is it? I get 9 hours with my K800 and thats not even marketed as a music phone! And thats with a shed load of txts being sent and a few calls.

its fair to assume that battery life is the same on the N91 and the 5G ipod... but sound quality is easily superior on the N91

1) Its not fair at all. 5Gs do not get 10-12hours life unless the brightness is on full, random play & equaliser on.
Plus, you still havnt explained why every N91 review says it has bad battery life, in the region of 1/3 of what you claim. Instead, you spout random times based upon very specific usages of the phone.
2) The sound quality is not 'easyier superior' either. Both because its SQ is subjective anyway. What you should have said on that point is that you belive its better. Ive yet to see evidence that it is better at all. I'd be suprised if the SNR was anywhere near the iPods.
Of all the reviews of it ive read today, only 1 has said the SQ is better than iPod. Most have said better than every other phone, but competitive with iPod. Which does not mean better.

If you want to belive that its better in every regards, then go ahead. But forgive me if i chuckle.

 

[Mayhs]

you didnt read what i wrote properly

when its in online mode and you do take calls and use it as a normal phone, usage obviously depends on the person but around 1 day battery with 1 hours of calls and around 10 texts you get around 10-12 hours which is simply amazing...

if you speak on it for an hour and do 10 texts u can listen to it for 12 hours..otherwise you get a good 20 hours...and i dont know about you but i know a lot of people with the k800i and they do not get 9 hours of music playback...

 

[BoomAM]

when its in online mode and you do take calls and use it as a normal phone, usage obviously depends on the person but around 1 day battery with 1 hours of calls and around 10 texts you get around 10-12 hours which is simply amazing...

Thank you for repeating yourself. 10-12hours is still not amazing however you justify it.

if you speak on it for an hour and do 10 texts u can listen to it for 12 hours..otherwise you get a good 20 hours...and i dont know about you but i know a lot of people with the k800i and they do not get 9 hours of music playback...

Im sorry, i thought that was the order of the day, i had it in flight mode so only the MP3 ability was viable to be used.

Lets look at this simply:

Does the N91 have battery battery life than a 5g iPod, when both used in the same way (50% volume, constant playlist, occasional skipped track)?
Answer: No. The N91, asuming your claimed figures are correct is 12 hours or so. The 5g iPod gets 16hours+ easyily. this is not open for debate. The fact that your even trying to claim the battery life is better is quite frankly laughable.

Does the N91 have better sound quality than a 5g iPod?
Answer: Entirely subjective at the moment, lets call that a stalemate, as you say its better. I say its not, and others are on the fence.

 

[Mayhs]

ok well lets settle it this way:

in my personal experience the N91 provides me with more battery life than my 5g ipod.

according to you a 5g ipod gives more battery life than the N91

and as you say sound quality is subjective, even though deaf people know the N91 sounds better

 

[BoomAM]

and as you say sound quality is subjective, even though deaf people know the N91 sounds better

Amusing. Even if the comment is flawed.

 

[james.miller]

boomAM why are you arguing with somebody who has more experience with the hardware than you do? seems pretty futile, doesn't it?

 

[BoomAM]

boomAM why are you arguing with somebody who has more experience with the hardware than you do? seems pretty futile, doesn't it?

Not really.
As i fail to see how he has more experiance with the hardware?
The only 'thing' s/he has that i dont is a N91. Which ive used for long enough to comment on SQ, and have seen enough reviews and comments on around the web, from friends & wherever to comment on its battery life.
Using your logic, we cant comment on the performance of a Matrox video card because you've never used one. Which is clearly rubbish isnt it?

 

[james.miller]

no because you cant compare sound quality on a graph with numbers. bad analogy.

I somehow doubt that.
And even if its sound quality was somewhere near as good as you say, it doesnt discount the bad battery life compared to a dedicated MP3 player & the questionable camera compared to competing phones. But thats a different story, and in regards to its MP3 abilities only, it hardly compared to a dedicated MP3 player.

Well, that certainly reads as though you've never used one and in fact, you havent even mentioned touching one until your last post, after giving us such opinons based on your own experience as

Mobile phones have so many more parts that can cause interference than a MP3 player.

can? if you'd used the phone, you'd know that it doesnt.
and

2) The sound quality is not 'easyier superior' either. Both because its SQ is subjective anyway. What you should have said on that point is that you belive its better. Ive yet to see evidence that it is better at all. I'd be suprised if the SNR was anywhere near the iPods.

should that be "i've used one and i dont believe it to be better than an ipod?" would i be totally out of place in calling shenanigans? i dunno, but i wont stay here arguing over it. As far as im concerned, it's better than an ipod. Hell, it's better than my rockboxed h10. how do i know? ive used one. i dont care about software or batterly life, that is the only point im making. would i buy the phone? no.

 

[BoomAM]

no because you cant compare sound quality on a graph with numbers. bad analogy.

Not really. No.
You claim that i cant comment because i havnt had extensive usage of a N91.
Its similar to saying that we cant comment on products we havnt used. Maybe not the performance, but lets say for example the image quality of a Matrox card? See?

Well, that certainly reads as though you've never used one and in fact, you havent even mentioned touching one until your last post, after giving us such opinons based on your own experience as

I wasnt aware that we had to announce before hand.

can? if you'd used the phone, you'd know that it doesnt.

So your saying that theres nothing in a phone that causes interference?
I'd be very suprised if your saying that. Because if you are saying that, then it just shows extreme ignorence on your part.

should that be "i've used one and i dont believe it to be better than an ipod?" would i be totally out of place in calling shenanigans? i dunno, but i wont stay here arguing over it. As far as im concerned, it's better than an ipod. Hell, it's better than my rockboxed h10. how do i know? ive used one. i dont care about software or batterly life, that is the only point im making. would i buy the phone? no.

Yes. As far as your concerned. I have used a N91, not long enough to gauge battery life, but long enough to comment on SQ, which again, is subjective.
As for not being bothered about software or battery life, maybe your not, but the OP wanted advice on a new MP3 player. And as such, those two points, along with others are ones that need considering.

Im still trying to work out why you've decided to dig up this argument again, considering that Mayhs and i have agreed to disagree. Stop trying to spark another arguement.

 

[james.miller]

Not really. No.
You claim that i cant comment because i havnt had extensive usage of a N91.
Its similar to saying that we cant comment on products we havnt used. Maybe not the performance, but lets say for example the image quality of a Matrox card? See?

see what? i wouldnt comment on the quality of a matrox card i'd never used.....would you? what exactly are you trying to prove?

I wasnt aware that we had to announce before hand.

of course not, but there's a huge difference between stating you'd used one and suggest you haven't set a finger on one. i wish i was interesed in just how you used one and in what circumstance, but im not now.

So your saying that theres nothing in a phone that causes interference?
I'd be very suprised if your saying that. Because if you are saying that, then it just shows extreme ignorence on your part.

No, i'm saying that there is no noticeable interference as in "you'd know it doesnt cause interference". it's easy to twist words and make up crap to suit your needs.

Im still trying to work out why you've decided to dig up this argument again, considering that Mayhs and i have agreed to disagree. Stop trying to spark another arguement.

i dunno, but i wont stay here arguing over it.

feel free to pick apart another post. like i said, ^^^. There's a reason he agreed to disagree. Evidently you dont know why.

 

[BoomAM]

see what? i wouldnt comment on the quality of a matrox card i'd never used.....would you? what exactly are you trying to prove?

lol.
After the claim you make later in your post, that is a little ironic.
You claimed that i cant comment on N91 because i havnt used one for a while. I used the example that people will comment on, as an example, video cards, even if they havnt used one at all.
Sound can be measured on a sound output device, the same way that a video card can be benched for performance. But its not an indication of the final product. IQ for video cards, 'Quality' for sound. Subjectiveness.
Clear?

No, i'm saying that there is no noticeable interference as in "you'd know it doesnt cause interference". it's easy to twist words and make up crap to suit your needs.

You still havnt answered/clearerd up what you ment.
Your last post implyed that there wasnt any interference. When its quite obvious that anyone with even a minimal knowledge in electronics would recongise that there is.

There's a reason he agreed to disagree. Evidently you dont know why.

lol again.
It goes both ways. It can be said that there was a reason that i agreed to disagree, and that evidently you dont know why.
Its all about viewpoint, and its clear what viewpoint you share.

/wonders if you'll go back on your comment about not bothering again.

 

[n91_lover]

Well its a biased opinion that standalone music players can play better than hard drive phones. I remember years back when I got the 6510 i was pleasantly surprised at the FM quality.

i am not at all surprised that N91 is the best music player around. As they say listen without prejudice!

 

[Nomisf]

yeah i have the N91 and it kills the ipod...and the creative...

its sound quality is about 10 times better

Well , interesting thread to read through , definatly made me think about all the devices in question. But i can tell you at least this , the N91 might have good sound quality ( yes i have had experience of one ) but no way does it kill a creative, as you will probably find it hard to beat a creative on sound quality without doubling price.

Also , noticed all the tests were carried out with Sennheiser Earphones, i own some senheiessers and can tell you they make anything sound good.

in my opion nothing beats - creative MP3 + Senheisser earphones, i use that combo every day , always will , never thought of changing.

Anyway , thanks for the insight on everything else lol

Regards,

Nomisf

 

[Mayhs]

i dont have a creative zen but my friend gave me his to put music on from my computer but i didnt really listen to it much about 5 songs to see the ui and i just wanted to use it

its nice but i cant comment on the sound quality...a lot of people say that the zen has better sound quality than the comparable ipod but not as good as the N91...im not going to argue though...

and yeah senns do give good sound quality but there are better headphones

 

[Nomisf]

*rolls eyes* to be honest ...

You really do love that n91 , and i cant be bothered to argue either.

Regards,

Nomisf

 

[Mayhs]

i dont love it ive mentioned numerous times i like my ipod more...ill ask my m8 to give his impartial decision tomorrow on which has the best sound quality