You know at the end of shutter island where he says...

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EDIT: SPOILER ALLERT = = = = =DONT READ ON IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE FILM!!!

..."Live a monster or die a good man", and you know at this moment that he's still with it, and knows what's going on, but he's going to pretend he's relapsed again so that the doctors/psychiatrist do the lobotomy on him, and he says that sentence to the guy sat next to him on the steps "Live a monster or die a good man", I can only presume he says this and has made this choice because he'd rather die then live knowing what he knows, now that they've woke him up from some sort of mental brake down and mind blocking that his brain had put him in so he could forget the horrible things that had happened, so he decides to go along and make them all believe that he's relapse when he actually hasn't but still can't live knowing what he knows, because his memories are heart breaking.

So my question to this is what does the lobotomy actually do to him? is it going to kill him or give him brain damage? Because when he walks off I kind of don't know what's going to happen to him?

So if someone could clear this up, I'd be much appreciative. I did have a look on wikipedia and there's loads of information on lobotomy but none of it answers my question.

I thought the film was amazing, and the ending reminded me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and also because of the way the film is made with the twist at the end, you could go as far to say its like Sixth Sense in a way, because once you've watched it once and know the twist, it's never really the same again.

Cheers.
 
have you seen one flew over the cuckoo's nest ? Well he would be the same as the Jack Nicholson character at the end of that.

he would be brain dead.
 
RedDanDoc said:
he would be brain dead.
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Hopefully not, that's not the aim of a lobotomy. If it where it would be easier, kinder and probably more legal to shoot him in the face with a sawn off shotgun.

It's rare to die from but "brain damage" is the actual aim in a sense, like amputating a blokes arm is physical injury.

in his case the aim would be that his hallucinations would cease to cause him emotional distress but obviously he would never quite be himself again.
 
Tefal said:
Hopefully not, that's not the aim of a lobotomy. If it where it would be easier, kinder and probably more legal to shoot him in the face with a sawn off shotgun.

It's rare to die from but "brain damage" is the actual aim in a sense, like amputating a blokes arm is physical injury.

in his case the aim would be that his hallucinations would cease to cause him emotional distress but obviously he would never quite be himself again.
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I thought in the film his hallucinations where down to fact that they stopped giving him his medication ?
 
RedDanDoc said:
I thought in the film his hallucinations where down to fact that they stopped giving him his medication ?
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Well his hallucination would be because of whatever was going on in his brain when he was not on medication.

But iirc lobotomies do not stop hallucinations they just blunt your emotions/personality ideally.
 
Forgive my ignorence but A lobotomie is a fancy term for Electric Shock treatment right ?

I always thought that Electric Shrock treatment was used to render you a Human Vegetable.
 
RedDanDoc said:
Forgive my ignorence but A lobotomie is a fancy term for Electric Shock treatment right ?

I always thought that Electric Shrock treatment was used to render you a Human Vegetable.
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No a lobotomy is the term for cutting/destroying the frontal lobes of your brain through surgical means.

Electro shock is also certainly not designed to turn you into a vegetable, it's actually a relativity common treatment (1 million people a year according to wiki) it's used as a short term treatment for depression/mania.


Can mess with your memory and cognition though.
 
Tefal said:
No a lobotomy is the term for cutting/destroying the frontal lobes of your brain through surgical means.

Electro shock is also certainly not designed to turn you into a vegetable, it's actually a relativity common treatment (1 million people a year according to wiki) it's used as a short term treatment for depression/mania.


Can mess with your memory and cognition though.
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Oh ok thanks for clearing that up Tefal , I ignorentley thought that Lobotomy and shock therapy where the same thing.

So there is hope for the films character then. :)
 
Tefal said:
well less hope than if he was getting electroshock :p

a lobotomy is more severe and has more side effects.
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I suppose from a Philosophical perspective it was a positive ending as he knew in the end and it was his choice to fake a relapse and thus get Lobotomised.

To be honest I was a little disapointed at how the plot of the film panned out, I believed in the character and wanted him to be right and that it was all a conspiracy.
 
i think he was setup and he wasnt fron the island, and his partner was in on it too
top secret testing facility about to be found out
 
It's funny when you're gf turns to you after the first time you see the film, and says "well they've left that open for a sequel" Yeah, if the sequel was to be two hours of Leonardo DiCaprio sitting in a chair dribbling and crapping his pants, then they have left it open for a sequel.
 
Snakedoctor said:
Terrible and predictable film. I don't see what the fuss was about.
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I call bs, you may have realised there was something dodgy going on and had the theory he was actually an inmate (as I did), but there's no way you picked up all the circumstances of him being sectioned, which was the biggest shock to me.

Really grinds my gears when people watch films and think they're bad because they sat there the whole time trying to work it out. Well done on completely missing the point. I'd love to hear which film you consider to be 'unpredictable', please, let me know so I can **** all over it.

The cinematography, acting and story in that film is nothing short of original and exceptional.
 
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