there are plenty of papers out there demonstrating a link between endurance sports and AF, I guess it is going to just derail the thread if we carry on as no doubt you can cherry pick some other paper with a sample size of 60 and try to show that this is wrong...
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there are plenty of papers out there demonstrating a link between endurance sports and AF, I guess it is going to just derail the thread if we carry on as no doubt you can cherry pick some other paper with a sample size of 60 and try to show that this is wrong...
I have read dozens of papers on the subject, including meta-analyses and systematic reviews, with particular interest on clinical studies.
The bottom line is there is zero clinical evidence and the correlation studies all show lower risks of heart problems.
If you want to get picky about health risks.yiu would be better at looking at more well defined issues such as immune deficiency if over training, and over training syndrome itself.
The bottom line is there is zero clinical evidence and the correlation studies all show lower risks of heart problems.
If you want to get picky about health risks.yiu would be better at looking at more well defined issues such as immune deficiency if over training, and over training syndrome itself.
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Stop bashing each other over the head with textbooks. I was referring to gym freaks who spend every minute of their spare time in there, trying to get like Arnie and taking all sorts of powders and potions because if it's wrapped in silver packaging and contains words like "turbo" and "extreme" then it must be good, yea.
I'm seeing people in their thirties with knee and ligament/muscle issues. There's young guys in their 20's waddling around like carpet fitters, with a frame like Johnny Bravo. It's a massive market in terms of supplements and they'll believe anything is good for them if there's a picture of a fellow carpet fitter on the packaging... And that's just the legal over-the-counter stuff.
I'm seeing people in their thirties with knee and ligament/muscle issues. There's young guys in their 20's waddling around like carpet fitters, with a frame like Johnny Bravo. It's a massive market in terms of supplements and they'll believe anything is good for them if there's a picture of a fellow carpet fitter on the packaging... And that's just the legal over-the-counter stuff.
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True and I let them carry on. Young guys in their 20's taking all sorts of supplements as a shortcut to make them look big think they are immortal. Until they start having health issues in the late 20's early 30's. Some start looking years older than they actually are due to long term side effects.
Most people are dicks.
Everything is best in moderation - I know people who are obsessed with the gym and running - they've done their knees in have neck and back injuries, etc. in the long run they are going to pay for it and likewise you can overdo it and push your heart, etc. too hard doing more damage in the long term than any short term gain.
Moderate healthy exercise where you progressively build up while minimising wear to yourself is another matter.
In my experience its more nuanced than that - the larger block of endurance athletes who push themselves but not too far are probably the healthier for it with a better overall long term result and no real additional risk of hear problems, etc. but the smaller number who are constantly pushing it excessively are probably another case again.
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Obviously everything is best in moderation. Moderation wasn't properly expressed as an issue in the post I quoted.
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That's because moderation isn't the issue, it's addiction and obsession that are the issues and they were very much properly expressed in the post you quoted.
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Everyone is stupid. I am just smart enough to realise this. (I include myself in that everyone by the way!) 
In some way everyone is stupid, I'm stupid in many ways but in many not, I think the same could be said for everyone
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Would you say there are differences in the generations when people are told they’re speaking nonsense? I know we have the good old triggered meme for the current generation but there’s a lot of stubborn oldies
Everyone is stupid. I am just smart enough to realise this. (I include myself in that everyone by the way!)
Some people however learn from their mistakes and do at least try, others do not and often never take responsibility for their failures either.
Not smarter, just more knowledgeable, because, previously, smart people have done the working out and understanding for them to build on.
To think what mathematicians etc did back when they were working with none of the advantages of today is staggering.
With none of today's distractions.
The inter-generational divide is just a symptom of a deeper cultural divide that is fast coming to a head. Brexit is another.
To be honest, I've never really understood the animosity people have for the young. They grow up in a world that is built by previous generations. Is a child responsible for its own upbringing? Or does the responsibility lie with those same people who are sneering?
When have the young ever met with the universal approval of older generations?
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its nothing new.
current parents "we didn't have no fancy iphones in our day"
their parents "we didn't have no fancy computers in our day"
their grandparents "we didn't have no fancy tv's in our day"
their great grandparents "we didn't have no fancy radio in our day"
their great great grandparents "we didn't have no fancy electric lights or running water in our day"
and of course there's the accompanying buzzword to go with each generations grumbling.
every generation works to improve the lot of the next, and when they manage it they sit and complain how there's no gratitude because the next generation doesn't understand the hardships they've never had to face. it's a good sign, it means we're moving forward.
on the one hand the older generations bring perspective to the table, age and experience count for a lot in survival because odds are the problems of today have probably happened before, but at the same time they can hold on to ideas that aren't the best way of doing things, and they need the younger generations to challenge them, to try new ways and improve. neither is right all of the time and mistakes can be repeated but that's just the curse of humanity.
current parents "we didn't have no fancy iphones in our day"
their parents "we didn't have no fancy computers in our day"
their grandparents "we didn't have no fancy tv's in our day"
their great grandparents "we didn't have no fancy radio in our day"
their great great grandparents "we didn't have no fancy electric lights or running water in our day"
and of course there's the accompanying buzzword to go with each generations grumbling.
every generation works to improve the lot of the next, and when they manage it they sit and complain how there's no gratitude because the next generation doesn't understand the hardships they've never had to face. it's a good sign, it means we're moving forward.
on the one hand the older generations bring perspective to the table, age and experience count for a lot in survival because odds are the problems of today have probably happened before, but at the same time they can hold on to ideas that aren't the best way of doing things, and they need the younger generations to challenge them, to try new ways and improve. neither is right all of the time and mistakes can be repeated but that's just the curse of humanity.
There's a reason that the phrase 'older and wiser' exists.
Young people tend to be idealistic, whereas older people (who were in turn idealistic in their youth) have by and large learnt from their experience and no longer try to achieve what they would like to happen and instead attempt to obtain the best possible likely result.
Young people tend to be idealistic, whereas older people (who were in turn idealistic in their youth) have by and large learnt from their experience and no longer try to achieve what they would like to happen and instead attempt to obtain the best possible likely result.