Your thoughts on Steam

Steam has all the disadvantages of media-less system and none of the advantages it promised. Lack of media restricts portability and even goods security (media is media, whereas if you loose all data on your pc including passwords it's going to be a hussle). Then we have restrictive security, issues with game play when system is down or malfunctioning, updates imposed on the steam that render games unplayable for days sometimes.

On the other hand you don't get any support when your account is compromised, all responsability is shifted always to the end user which can loose you big bucks, game and you'll be treated like downright criminal because neither distance selling act nor regular consumer regulations apply in any clear way to the virtual goods purchased without any service level promise across borders.
You also get rip off prices despite production chain and retail quotas being taken out of the equasion.
That alone upset me about my Steam package. I, for example was under usurped impression that the full, mega, hiper, premium package would be in some way self expanding - that by paying premium over amazon prices I buy into a package, rather than set of oldies and few new items without a carton box. Instead those who subscribed to the same package for the same price some time later got more games in it than old subscribers. It's almost like supporting steam at early stage was effectively just backstabbing yourself. Now all those benefits are gone, there isn't even like a discount on anything - $50 for Prey when it's a $14.99 game on amazon and $7.50 bargain bin item from retailers in "New and used" section??? Steam is taking a mickey!
In retrospect in monetary value it is not a good deal, I know it's bigger than retail boxes but don't care that I get old Day Of Defeat with new Day Of Defeat - it's like you were given old, dry bread with new wholemeal loaf and about as useful.
 
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t31os said:
Surely steam accounts are tracked to a degree though and they keep a list of IP's logging into an account??.... and if thats the case, unless the person who hacked the account was on the same ISP. However there is the case where you login to your steam from another PC. I also believe Steam are in their right mind to say you should use secure passwords. If you visited a site and used the same details, then that really is your own fault, you should really make more effort in using varied account passwords and/or usernames, along with ensuring you have the relevant PC protection.
If someone robbed my bank account because they were accessing my PC while i was using online browsing, then hell yeah thats my bad for not taking care of my PC protection.
Yeah that's why I'm not taking it any further. There's not really any evidence that that's what actually happened, but it is the most logical explanation, even though it would mean quite a few unlikely events would have occured.
 
Not really a big fan of Steam. My major gripes are:

-Download speeds are sometimes sub-optimal
-Automatic patching of games (i.e. users can't stick with older versions if they want to - sometimes new versions introduce problems)
-Lack of an actual retail disk
-The general requirement to have an internet connection
 
t31os said:
I don't think you should be able to play more then 1 game at once, as said already, you can't be at 2 PC's at once.... its a 'Single User License' or something along those lines, and its part of the terms and conditions you agree to when you install games. So the way i see it, you want to break the terms you already agreed to, and feel as if Steam are at fault for not allowing this... its simple logic, its not Steam's fault, its yours for not understanding the user agreement and adhering to it.
A "single user licence" does not mean only one person can use the software, it means the software can only be installed and used on one pc at any one time. Steam have created their own unnecessary "licence".
 
If you get VAC banned then you used cheats, people do not get disabled for cheating and they can still play their single player games and their online games on insecure servers. Accounts are disabled when people try to use fake credit card information on them ect. If you get VAC banned you will never be unbanned no matter how much you argue with them. You agreed to all these terms when you installed steam, don't like them? Then don't install the software.

Personally not had any problems and I can't believe some of you are complaining about one night of downtime in several years.
 
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First of all, thanks to everyone who has made their opinion known :D

My opinion of Steam is that generally it works quite well for me.
I like the idea that once a game is registered on Steam you can always get the game back, ie. download it again.
I like the fact that updates are automatic, when I got Vista most games were unplayable, now I have no such issue.
I also don't find the prices that bad, purchased Vampire Bloodlines for a tenner, but that's just me loving "new" games, I rarely by used ones.
Steam also works great for independent developers, lets not forget Darwinia :cool: .
Major gripes are the problems with offline play, when i'm playing lans with friends, we have to disconnect the Lan cable before starting up steam, otherwise it would take steam hours to find out that although there is a cable connected, no internet exists.
But I certainly like the idea of steam.
 
Armadillo said:
You've legally bought two games , each game is only installed to a single pc at any one time.

Wheres the problem?. You've paid for both , only have each game installed to a single machine at a time , and each game is only in use by one person at any one time?. Why is this problem?.

Lets make this really simple for you. YOU bought the game which means only YOU can play it, YOU cannot play 2 games at once. Steam isnt being restrictive at all, its following the laws set down.

Stop comparing it to BF2 and BF2142 because you cant physically play both of those games at once either, also, im sure that it is built into the games that more than one person can have an account on it. No similarities with the rules/regs for games like DODs and CSS.

And if it bothers you that much may i suggest your brother goes and buys his own copies of the games!

You can argue your point until your blue in the face, and for you it may be a problem with steam, but honestly, i dont see it as a valid problem and im sure many others here dont. When you grow that second head and another pair of arms then i might!

sup3rc0w said:
My opinion on steam?

This is the second post form you ive read that makes you look very immature. Please remove the picture.
 
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MNuTz said:
YOU cannot play 2 games at once.
You can.... what if you have one machine with HL2 on it, and another with CSS on it.

What if you then play CSS, then when you die, play HL2 'till the next round of CSS? :D /pedantic
 
MNuTz said:
Lets make this really simple for you. YOU bought the game which means only YOU can play it, YOU cannot play 2 games at once. Steam isnt being restrictive at all, its following the laws set down.

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So any game you buy , only you can legally play it?. Even if there is only one copy installed to any machine at anyone time and only one user accessing it.
Which would make anyone letting people play a game on their machine , ps2 , 360 etc illegal aswell? , as they bought it , so it's only for them.

Unless of course by this statement about comparing it to accessing 2142 & bf2 at same time.

I'm sure that it is built into the games that more than one person can have an account on it. No similarities with the rules/regs for games like DODs and CSS.

You mean the "laws" set down by steams T&C's. In which case , I stand by the opinion they are too restrictive.
 
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Armadillo said:
You mean the "laws" set down by steams T&C's. In which case , I stand by the opinion they are too restrictive.

I would hazard a guess that Steam have to enforce the T&Cs that come with any game they sell.

Its a bit like saying that car dealerships are responsible for the speed limits.
 
It isn't illegal to share the games and let other people use them unless of course there is a specific law on that where you live but it does violate their T&C so they can disable your account if you don't stick to them.
 
LOL only 1 person allowed to play said game and you think thats ok cheeez steam get real.
what kinda place they think we live in.



all so picture this when hl2 came out > little boy goes into shop picks up said game,gets home and said game asks for internet connection ? wtf that all about.

steam were well out of order for that one should have been in BIG print internet connection required but they thought no this way we get our cack in ppls homes.
 
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.one. said:
LOL only 1 person allowed to play said game and you think thats ok cheeez steam get real.
what kinda place they think we live in.

all so picture this when hl2 came out > little boy goes into shop picks up said game,gets home and said game asks for internet connection ? wtf that all about.

steam were well out of order for that one should have been in BIG print internet connection required but they thought no this way we get our cack in ppls homes.
It was listed in the minimum requirements, it's the persons fault for being a stupid **** not Valves fault, who incidentally decided this and maintain Steam as Steam is a program and service not a company. And why would a little boy go to the shop to buy HL2 in the first place.
 
Tombo said:
It was listed in the minimum requirements, it's the persons fault for being a stupid **** not Valves fault, who incidentally decided this and maintain Steam as Steam is a program and service not a company. And why would a little boy go to the shop to buy HL2 in the first place.

why would a little boy go into a shop and by hl2 ? why not.
and why his he fkin stupid ? just cos he's not up on games like yourself you want to watch your mouth pal.
 
.one. said:
why would a little boy go into a shop and by hl2 ? why not.
and why his he fkin stupid ? just cos he's not up on games like yourself you want to watch your mouth pal.
Because there aren't really many small boys that decide to go buy HL2 from the shops and I doubt they would be sold it anyway, he is stupid if he doesn't check the requirements and then complains about them or realises he doesn't meet them.
 
do you know what stupid means ?
it's an insult which you added in to the thread for no reason so why start insulting ppl ???
 
.one. said:
why would a little boy go into a shop and by hl2 ? why not.
and why his he **** stupid ? just cos he's not up on games like yourself you want to watch your mouth pal.
Half life 2 is a BBFC 15 so the shop would be breaking the law by selling it to him. Anyway usually when I go into a shop and buy a PC game they ask if I'm sure it'll run on my PC.
 
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