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"Heat Exhaustion: Can heat kill you in medieval armour?"

An interesting question, so Jason Kingsley OBE tests it as accurately as possible, like he does with all sorts of medieval things. Ignore the twirly sword fighting clip in the intro - that's taken from a video on the differences between screen sword fighting (which has twirling) and real sword fighting (which doesn't, at least not one on one). He does things as accurately as possible and acknowledges any inaccuracies. For example, his main warhorse (Warlord) is a bit too big to be historically accurate, but is spot on in every other way.

The brief answer is "yes, very much so". He's fit and very familiar with riding and with armour. He was having some trouble after half an hour in the high 30s, starting to tremble and noticing an effect on his thinking. Full plate over an arming garment massively reduces your ability to shed heat.

 
Angilion said:
"Heat Exhaustion: Can heat kill you in medieval armour?"

An interesting question, so Jason Kingsley OBE tests it as accurately as possible, like he does with all sorts of medieval things. Ignore the twirly sword fighting clip in the intro - that's taken from a video on the differences between screen sword fighting (which has twirling) and real sword fighting (which doesn't, at least not one on one). He does things as accurately as possible and acknowledges any inaccuracies. For example, his main warhorse (Warlord) is a bit too big to be historically accurate, but is spot on in every other way.

The brief answer is "yes, very much so". He's fit and very familiar with riding and with armour. He was having some trouble after half an hour in the high 30s, starting to tremble and noticing an effect on his thinking. Full plate over an arming garment massively reduces your ability to shed heat.

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Shadversity did a video about why bikini/barbarian armour (or lack of) might actually be a thing, and one of the reasons is that not wearing much allowed you to stay cool while you fought, and because you weren't carrying heavy armour, your stamina allowed you to fight for longer before getting exhausted, especially if you were using a heavy two handed sword, or sword and shield.
 
Steampunk said:
Shadversity did a video about why bikini/barbarian armour (or lack of) might actually be a thing, and one of the reasons is that not wearing much allowed you to stay cool while you fought, and because you weren't carrying heavy armour, your stamina allowed you to fight for longer before getting exhausted, especially if you were using a heavy two handed sword, or sword and shield.
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I often watch Shad, but for some reason I didn't watch that video. I think that it's a bit of a stretch as the typical fantasy "barbarian armour" almost always offers so little protection (and in the wrong places) that it's at best worthless as armour. Being naked would give you as much protection (i.e. none) and would be even better for shedding heat and reducing encumbrance. Which is what I think fantasy "barbarian armour" really is - a convention to circumvent bans on images of nude people.

On top of that, when metal armour is depicted in fantasy "barbarian armour" it's usually shown worn directly against skin and skintight, especially so with bikini "armour". That would be much worse than useless - it would harm the person wearing it if they moved, so it would effectively be more encumbering than full plate harness. It would also remove all protection from blunt force, which would matter a lot if it wasn't for the fact that there's so little armour and it's in the wrong places so it doesn't give any protection anyway.

The only fantasy "barbarian armour" that would be of some small use is the "one oversized pauldron" cliche. That would at least protect the wearer from some attacks from a small range of angles. Although it's often depicted as being too oversized and/or lacking in articulation and/or with spikes on it, so it would restrict the wearer's ability to fight (by restricting the movement of their shoulder) and sometimes be a threat to the wearer (a spike in the side of your neck won't do you any good).

Maybe there are examples in fantasy art of a plausible middle ground in which the armour is a realistic trade off between protection and encumbrance and heat shedding. But that's not the usual "barbarian armour", let alone bikini "armour".
 
Angilion said:
The brief answer is "yes, very much so". He's fit and very familiar with riding and with armour. He was having some trouble after half an hour in the high 30s, starting to tremble and noticing an effect on his thinking. Full plate over an arming garment massively reduces your ability to shed heat.
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And that's only in English weather, imagine how it must have been in the Crusader lands :eek:


All that effort, resource and time to destroy a ship that spent most of its life, anchored up
 
Minusorange said:
All that effort, resource and time to destroy a ship that spent most of its life, anchored up
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But it tied up a lot of the Home Fleet's resources making sure it stayed that way. The threat of it breaking out and causing havoc as a commerce raider was always there until it was destroyed.
 
Blue160 said:
But it tied up a lot of the Home Fleet's resources making sure it stayed that way. The threat of it breaking out and causing havoc as a commerce raider was always there until it was destroyed.
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Oh I know it's still impressive just the mere threat could bring so much effort to sink it and not until near the end of the war too just 6 months before it was over.


Thiccccc plane
 
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