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Z490 Chipset vs Intel 9900K

Phillip Gwynne

Phillip Gwynne

Phillip Gwynne

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I currently have a desktop based on Asus Z370-g mATX, Intel 9600k, EVGA RTX2080xc, two Corsair Vengeance 16GB 3,000 MHz ram sticks and Samsung 970 pro SSD. For 1080p gaming I have no trouble. But if I set resolution a little higher using the Nvidia feature (Super sampling or something like that) and set two a bit higher than 1080p then the frame rate can drop on some games like FORZA horizon 4 l, and GTA V is terrible, mainly things like plants and foliage cause this. But if I select full 4K resolution FPS can go down to 30s, I can get back to barely 60fps if I lower graphics settings but I have to lower quite a few which kinda defeats point of high resolutions. I know the CPU is the weakest link and been thinking of upgrading to the 9900k. But wondering if I should consider saving and getting a z490 board and CPU. The reason, I’m hoping I could get good improvements by going for maybe the second or third ranked cpu rather than the highest spec’d one. But I know the 9900k will give huge improvements from the 9600k, but how long would this still be adequate for future gaming? Maybe I’m worrying too much, but thought my GPU would cope better at higher resolutions, if I know the 9900k will make a good difference then I’ll just do that. I’m guessing the 2080ti will just get throttled. As a ‘clutching at straws’ option. Would adding another 16Gb ram stick make much difference? I ask as prices are dropping, or maybe get faster ram? What’s people’s thoughts and thanks in advance for you’re replies.
 
The CPU in that situation would not be the weakest link. If your having no trouble at 1080p, your FPS dropping at 1440p and 4k is down to the GPU. The CPU is taxed mostly by trying to achieve a higher framerate, so in theory if your fine at 1080p but then the FPS is dropping at 1440p and 4k, it would not surprise me to see the CPU under less stress as it needs to prepare less frames for the GPU. The GPU will be the part struggling with the higher pixel density. This is further confirmed when you say if you lower graphical settings you get back up to 60 FPS, its not the CPU, rather the GPU is the limit to performance in your scenario.

Double check what your actually supersamling too. Similarly check in game settings, some games can have punishing settings when enabled or maxed out for little visual change in some instances.

Now that is not to say, getting a better CPU may not change things, but for yourself, the above scenario when enabling increasing super sampling and visual settings is a GPU issue.
 
Thanks for the replies. What was said about the GPU makes a lot of sense, I think I just refused to believe that spending £600 on a graphics card wouldn’t be enough for good 4K gaming.
Ryzen? Wow, I knew AMD were on the up, but will probably never realise how popular they really are. I think I’m old fashioned, always liked Intel, and infact the European HQ is five minutes away from me. I guess I’m just more familiar too. It’s the same with TV’s, a lot of ppl praise Samsung, and they certainly seem good. But again I still think of the good old days were, Japan mainly made the good TV’s and always liked Panasonic and now also Sony. But certainly the value of Ryzen CPU’s are (I haven’t checked) are likely to be much better than Intel, but maybe that’s what puts me off, it seems too good to be true? But thanks for reminding me about AMD. Will have to look into things more. Think I shouldn’t rush, and just start saving. Many thanks people. Hope I can help some of you with my thoughts even if they go against traditions. But hey a different perspective and all that!
 
Is the 9600k overclocked at all? You should manage around 5Ghz on all cores without too much trouble. That's what mine does plus 4.7Ghz uncore as well with 1.35v vcore and LLC set to lvl 6 and it's rock solid stable at that. Even if you don't like to overclock if you set MCE (multi core enhancement) to enabled in the bios (presuming Asus also has this tweak) you can get 4.6Ghz on all cores with no trouble at all. Just keep a eye on temps.
 
Yes my CPU is overclocked to 5.1 ZGHz. That surely can’t be to all cores though? It’s when you start playing games at higher resolutions that you start hearing the cpu cooling fans for liquid cooling start to spin a lot faster. But fortunately it’s not for too long. I will check that multi core enhancement setting again though. Glad you reminded me!
 
These days a Ryzen 3600X is a better gaming option than a 9600K for precisely the reasons you have given, this has been commented on by reviewers and 9600K owners, at 1080P with a very high performance GPU FPS are up and down to an unacceptable degree, it can get bad enough to cause stutter in a couple of games.

The problem comes from Intel's stinginess with Hyper Threading on lower end CPU's, the 9600K is a 6 Core 6 Thread CPU and modern games can easily saturate 6 threads in places depending on what is going on in the game overloading the CPU.

A Ryzen 3600/X has 6 Cores 12 Threads and with that doesn't suffer from this issue.

This is an old example of that but timeless, it illustrates what was true for i5's then and is now.

https://youtu.be/4RMbYe4X2LI?t=307

A 9900K will cure that, yet you could get a Ryzen 3600X and a decent AM4 motherboard for less than the £500 of the 9900K, about £200 less.

However i would wait because Ryzen 4000 is not all that far away and it promises to be another game changing CPU.
 
Phillip Gwynne said:
Why do I look like the comedian from
The old comedy series “Goodness gracious me!” (Sanjeev Bhaskar)?
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If it makes it any better that's John Cazale, the legendary actor who died of cancer at aged just 42 in the late 70's, but not before appearing in some incredible films like The Godfather 1 and 2 and The Deer Hunter. Incredible actor with great sensitivity and vulnerability.

If you watch the Godfather 1 and 2 you'll understand why he's placed where he is, but generally these pictures aren't well ranked at all with subordinates appearing higher than their bosses.
 
PC777 said:
If it makes it any better that's John Cazale, the legendary actor who died of cancer at aged just 42 in the late 70's, but not before appearing in some incredible films like The Godfather 1 and 2 and The Deer Hunter. Incredible actor with great sensitivity and vulnerability.

If you watch the Godfather 1 and 2 you'll understand why he's placed where he is, but generally these pictures aren't well ranked at all with subordinates appearing higher than their bosses.
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Your porn tash is a belter :D
 
Phillip Gwynne said:
Yes my CPU is overclocked to 5.1 ZGHz. That surely can’t be to all cores though? It’s when you start playing games at higher resolutions that you start hearing the cpu cooling fans for liquid cooling start to spin a lot faster. But fortunately it’s not for too long. I will check that multi core enhancement setting again though. Glad you reminded me!
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It could very well be all cores clocked at 5.1Ghz, some could do that and 5.2Ghz as well but most couldn't (including mine). Easiest way to tell is have a piece of monitoring software running while you stress the cpu and see if all cores are boosting to 5.1Ghz. If they are boosting that high leave the settings well alone as that's a good cpu.
 
Nothing wrong with you current cpu or motherboard its your GPU that is the weak link, wait for the next gen of cards or upgrade to a 2080Ti if you can't wait for the new ones.
 
Hang on, since when would a 9900K and RTX 2080 struggle above 1080p? Something is seriously and desperately wrong with your system.

Edit: hang on again, why are you using Nvidia super sampling to increase the resolution? Just set the display res in the game and be done with it.
 
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