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Zen performing better than expected. Greater than 40% improvement.

having ran AMD chips for years I jumped to Intel last year and went for an i5 4690k when my FX8350 died.
even after getting a replacement FX8350 Ive stayed with the 4690k as I find it smoother in games and have noticed an increase in FPS It can also convert a video with convert x to dvd quicker.. I would love to see AMD come out fighting with Zen and give Intel some serious competition as then hopefully the prices may come down while they have something worth fighting for customers over.
 
I'll be very disappointed if FX Zen doesn't give Skylake an absolute hiding.

Excavator has excellent Integer performance (significantly better than Skylake), nearly par on FP and still far behind in cache latency and ram read / write speeds.

The Zen design looks like it'll have much lower cache latencies ... if they can get the memory controller right (i.e. get it near Intel's) it should thump Skylake in most scenarios.

We don't really know what exactly 40% better IPC than Excavator means, but that is a much bolder claim than many seem to realise. Excavator's really very good in scenarios that don't rely heavily on cache latency and memory BW (most common tasks).

If they pull off what they're claiming, it WILL be very quick. If AMD can get the APUs out in volume next year, I'd expect Intel to lose a gigantic chunk of their market share in laptops (I think this is where AMD are likely to make the biggest gains).
 
olivier renault said:
Would be nice to see an actual AMD Desktop CPU again.
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All sources point to a 2017 release date. It hasn't even taped out yet - this was from AMD's own mouth a 6 weeks ago at an investor conference.

With AMD's financial situation, we can be sure that they will sing from the rooftops when Zen finally tapes out.
 
Dave2150 said:
All sources point to a 2017 release date. It hasn't even taped out yet - this was from AMD's own mouth a 6 weeks ago at an investor conference.

With AMD's financial situation, we can be sure that they will sing from the rooftops when Zen finally tapes out.
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You say this in every AMD thread, but, can you link the source?
I am genuinely interested in where this info comes from.

I'm pretty confident AMD will have new CPUs out (that aren't rehashes of an ancient design) this year.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
You say this in every AMD thread, but, can you link the source?
I am genuinely interested in where this info comes from.

I'm pretty confident AMD will have new CPUs out (that aren't rehashes of an ancient design) this year.
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Dec. 8, 2015, a transcript from the Raymond James Technology Investors Conference:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3741456-advanced-micro-devices-amd-at-raymond-james-technology-investors-conference-transcript?part=single

Zen was a clean sheet design that started few years ago. We are in the final figure of executing and the milestone that you want hear us talk about is Zen tapping out, which should be over the next several months. And then putting samples in the hands of our customer and then starting portfolio of revenue in 2017.

And by the way, because we have this reuse approach for cores, you will see us with Zen cores in the high-end desktop first and then the server from our overall products standpoint. But the key is tapping out in the next several months, samples and customers for the validation of the product over the 2016 time frame and then the revenue ramp happening in 2016.
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I think the biggest risk factor for Zen will be the memory controllers. That's been a weak area for AMD for quite a while. If Zen were to launch with, for example, no support for the high frequencies we see these days in DDR4, that would be a significant blow.

If they release with a good memory controller, however, I think Zen could be very promising.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Dec. 8, 2015, a transcript from the Raymond James Technology Investors Conference:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3741456-advanced-micro-devices-amd-at-raymond-james-technology-investors-conference-transcript?part=single
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other sources say 2016, such as alledgedly Lisa Su to investors: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3024...irst-to-high-end-desktops-at-end-of-2016.html

Edit: Your own quote says 2016 at the end - weird how it say's both years. Bah, people suck. Perhaps that means the high-end parts coming first are meant to be late this year while the main market that money-wise matters more will be 2017?
 
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David Bisset said:
other sources say 2016, such as alledgedly Lisa Su to investors: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3024...irst-to-high-end-desktops-at-end-of-2016.html

Edit: Your own quote says 2016 at the end - weird how it say's both years. Bah, people suck. Perhaps that means the high-end parts coming first are meant to be late this year while the main market that money-wise matters more will be 2017?
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I think there might be the possibility of seeing some engineering samples or an incredibly limited retail release in November/December, though I doubt we'll see any significant volume until well into 2017. That's assuming no delays.

Either way, we should hear any day now that it's been taped out - AMD need all the investor confidence they can get, we can be 100% sure they will officially say when it's taped out.
 
h4rm0ny said:
I think the biggest risk factor for Zen will be the memory controllers. That's been a weak area for AMD for quite a while. If Zen were to launch with, for example, no support for the high frequencies we see these days in DDR4, that would be a significant blow.

If they release with a good memory controller, however, I think Zen could be very promising.
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Strange seeing how the GPU ones are so good.
 
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