Zero drinks vs standard sugar?
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sweeteners don't taste like sugar though, so they have to add other crap or it tastes different and weird.
Then again I miss new coke that stuff was the sex.
That can't be healthy. I used to drink plenty of fizzy drinks but I've moved to juice, water and the occasional tea now.
http://www.myaspartameexperiment.com/index.php
The equivalent of 2/3 of the aspartame in a can of Diet Coke a day in that experiment.
After having read that website I now go out of my way to avoid aspartame. I've stopped chewing gum (I used to chew loads) and I always buy fully sugared things now such as orange squash and when I do drink coke, the normal sugary one. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with sugar as long as you don't go overboard. Aspartame on the other hand is now listed in my mind as a dodgy chemical. Even if that experiment wasn't 100% infalliable it's still scary.
If you're worried about the calories of a can of a Coke and drink Pepsi Max instead or whatever then your diet is wrong anyway. Drinking a diet or normal cola isn't going to affect your weight.
The equivalent of 2/3 of the aspartame in a can of Diet Coke a day in that experiment.
After having read that website I now go out of my way to avoid aspartame. I've stopped chewing gum (I used to chew loads) and I always buy fully sugared things now such as orange squash and when I do drink coke, the normal sugary one. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with sugar as long as you don't go overboard. Aspartame on the other hand is now listed in my mind as a dodgy chemical. Even if that experiment wasn't 100% infalliable it's still scary.
If you're worried about the calories of a can of a Coke and drink Pepsi Max instead or whatever then your diet is wrong anyway. Drinking a diet or normal cola isn't going to affect your weight.
You realise that a full study of it will have been done on mice chimps and humans before it was allowed to be sold?
If you can't even spell the word flawed you hardly convince me with your judgement on such issues.Wow one floored study and you go out of your way to avoid it
This is why the public should only listen to trusted research not crap like that.
I'd not exactly call not chewing gum, buying normal Tesco orange squash instead of no-added sugar orange squash and not drinking Diet Coke (not that I did anyway) being excessively paranoid about it. But sure, you keep on drinking it if you think it's fine, doesn't bother me.
That website/experiment is hardly the first non-positive experiment on aspartame, just read through this Wikipedia article for information on others - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy
Here's a little snippet from the 'Conflict of interest' section
Yes, let's completely trust the government and swallow whatever they say (figuratively and literally) without a second thought.
the dose in that rat experiment is stupidly high, it might be less than one can of diet coke, but a rat is 100's of times smaller than a human. The research is flawed and what does spelling have to do with it.
Most of these research experiments are fundamentally wrong. I don't care what you do, but reporting flawed science as fact is silly.
And I have researched it a lot as well as other substances.
Most of these research experiments are fundamentally wrong. I don't care what you do, but reporting flawed science as fact is silly.
And I have researched it a lot as well as other substances.
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I'd say aspartame would be dangerious over a long peroid and use, but in the short run it should be safe and harmless ... a lot of products contain it, I see it in a lot of kids stuff too which lets them advertise it as 'sugar free', I would only be concered if you are diabetic and consuming this very often (ie, sweeteners)
I don't think it's fair testing on animals as I'm sure doses aren't right and also that we may/will react differently than rats.
Personally, I don't like the stuff unless you really need to cut k/cals or it's late and you don't want energy spikes (you'll still get caffiene unless it's caff. free) then sugar is probably better.
BTW, Asda banned aspartame from thier food/drinks sometime ago, insted they use Ace-K. I have to admit as I was recently comparing both thier reg. agaist thier zero (both Asdas own) and considering it's like 800k/cals (reg.) vs 8k/cals (zero) I'd say the zero was very nice, although I did perfer sugar over it. Both costing 44p.
Stevia is decent (I perfer the taste now over sugar in tea) but banned from putting into foods, k/cal is <1 and it's natural (so you feel connected to the earth more.
) the downside is it's hard to get (internet, etc) and it's more expensive.
I don't think it's fair testing on animals as I'm sure doses aren't right and also that we may/will react differently than rats.
Personally, I don't like the stuff unless you really need to cut k/cals or it's late and you don't want energy spikes (you'll still get caffiene unless it's caff. free) then sugar is probably better.
BTW, Asda banned aspartame from thier food/drinks sometime ago, insted they use Ace-K. I have to admit as I was recently comparing both thier reg. agaist thier zero (both Asdas own) and considering it's like 800k/cals (reg.) vs 8k/cals (zero) I'd say the zero was very nice, although I did perfer sugar over it. Both costing 44p.
Stevia is decent (I perfer the taste now over sugar in tea) but banned from putting into foods, k/cal is <1 and it's natural (so you feel connected to the earth more.
) the downside is it's hard to get (internet, etc) and it's more expensive.
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Rats may be many times smaller than us but the rats in the experiment still had less per day (in terms of mg of aspartame per kg of bodyweight - making it more accurate when directly comparing doses with different sized subjects) than the FDA says is the safe upper limit. This is also coupled with the fact that rats are pretty hardy creatures anyway whilst humans are fragile and weak at the best of times so I would have thought a rat's ability to eat poisonous material would be higher than ours.
Or put it another way, I'm not happy drinking Diet Coke when a sizeable percentage of rats given just 2/3 of one chemical that is in a can a day developed serious tumours. Aspartame is in other foods and medicines too so it's more than just Coke.
And besides, even if this one study is somehow flawed then there are still a whole host of other studies that at least raise serious concerns about aspartame's quoted safety. So for changing my consumption habits of 3 products it's not really a big deal for me to avoid it when I easily can.
Also, how can you say the studies are flawed and just plain wrong? I'm not a scientist and you're definitely not so how can you judge that? You can't, you're wrong to say that they're not right.
Or put it another way, I'm not happy drinking Diet Coke when a sizeable percentage of rats given just 2/3 of one chemical that is in a can a day developed serious tumours. Aspartame is in other foods and medicines too so it's more than just Coke.
And besides, even if this one study is somehow flawed then there are still a whole host of other studies that at least raise serious concerns about aspartame's quoted safety. So for changing my consumption habits of 3 products it's not really a big deal for me to avoid it when I easily can.
Also, how can you say the studies are flawed and just plain wrong? I'm not a scientist and you're definitely not so how can you judge that? You can't, you're wrong to say that they're not right.
I am now a BIG Coke Zero fan... for years i've avoided Diet Coke and the equivalents because they taste like gash but I can't believe how like normal coke the Zero is, i'm really impressed and it's now pretty much the only pop I drink in the house. It's nice having it at Maccy D's too.
Pepsi MAX is rank in comparison... though ironically I prefer normal Pepsi to normal Coke.
I'm exactly the same.
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tend not to drink anything other than water/fruit juice so i usually avoid the problem choice brings ^^
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Problem with anti aspartame sites are, they come off as amature like most internet conspiracy theory sites with no credibility. THat and the fact that probably a large majority of the western world eats it on a daily basis, with MASSIVE numbers eating above the recommended limit, for decades now with no real issues.
When you look at the supposed symptoms for aspartame as with so many other supposedly bad chemicals, people list so many symptoms to such varying degree's it simply reads as hyperchondriac's(guessing spelling there, not sure i've ever writen/typed it before) listing all their systems and blaming it on whatever the current trend for people to hate is.
The funny thing is most of the symptoms are all known caffeine overuse/withdrawal symptoms yet they just get lumped in with aspartame. THe thing is most chemicals that DO cause issues normally cause a very select and repeatable problem, this is whats missing, massively widespread problems of which most are almost certainly caused by other things so it becomes a joke.
AS for caffeine not being good for a hangover, you're smoking crack mate, I've never taken caffeine and felt more tired, ever, its almost impossible as its a stimulant. Whats very possible is the sugar high from "normal" versions giving you a quick boost then the sugar low once insulin kicks in causing tired feeling, thats common and nowt to do with caffeine. Caffeine is damn great, best drug ever, love it and never plan to stop taking it. Fully addicted and I couldn't give a monkeys.
I drink diet coke, the sweetness of the silly amount of processed sugar in non diet drinks make my teeth feel horrible, its sticky, overly sweet and just nasty. Diet doesn't taste really sweet, its not sickening in large quantities, its not sticky so feels refreshing and doesn't cause sugar high followed by sugar low making you hungry or tired.
When you look at the supposed symptoms for aspartame as with so many other supposedly bad chemicals, people list so many symptoms to such varying degree's it simply reads as hyperchondriac's(guessing spelling there, not sure i've ever writen/typed it before) listing all their systems and blaming it on whatever the current trend for people to hate is.
The funny thing is most of the symptoms are all known caffeine overuse/withdrawal symptoms yet they just get lumped in with aspartame. THe thing is most chemicals that DO cause issues normally cause a very select and repeatable problem, this is whats missing, massively widespread problems of which most are almost certainly caused by other things so it becomes a joke.
AS for caffeine not being good for a hangover, you're smoking crack mate, I've never taken caffeine and felt more tired, ever, its almost impossible as its a stimulant. Whats very possible is the sugar high from "normal" versions giving you a quick boost then the sugar low once insulin kicks in causing tired feeling, thats common and nowt to do with caffeine. Caffeine is damn great, best drug ever, love it and never plan to stop taking it. Fully addicted and I couldn't give a monkeys.
I drink diet coke, the sweetness of the silly amount of processed sugar in non diet drinks make my teeth feel horrible, its sticky, overly sweet and just nasty. Diet doesn't taste really sweet, its not sickening in large quantities, its not sticky so feels refreshing and doesn't cause sugar high followed by sugar low making you hungry or tired.
To dehydrate yourself more?
orange juice is the best thing to drink when you're hung over, I always take a carton up to bed with me when I get home from drinking
The hangover is a lack of blood sugar and dehydration. A can of Coke would be an excellent way to boost the sugar levels as long as you dont drink several cans.
As for diet drinks, I dont go for them. If I need a drink i'll drink water if I need a drink for refreshment or with a meal I'll drink Coke, plus diet drinks taste crap. And yeah I think Pepsi and Coke taste the same if slightly different, I find Pepsi has more more fruity taste, but Coke has more kick and tends to be fizzier.