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Old 31st May 2008, 15:10   #1
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Mondeo ST220 Tuning

I'm going to be buying an ST220 in the next couple of months, and have been looking round at my options for tuning. Pumaspeed seem reasonably well respected, and they offer a ST250 upgrade kit which upgrades to 250bhp,but its a grand and just comprises of Dream Science remap + miltek exhaust + k & n 57i induction kit.

Now ive got a couple of concerns

1) reading about on ST Drivers / pistonheads some actually doubt if the remap provides anything noticable at all

2) it uses a k&n induction kit, widely regarded to be absolute pants

Given the questionability of the above 2, im not happing forking out a grand for it. It has crossed my mind to just get a blueflame S/S exhaust to give the V6 a bit more of a nice exhaust note and not worrying about alledged performance gains (or lack of)

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Old 31st May 2008, 15:13   #2
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DS remaps are generally good, but I am not too sure about the ST220 and its current state of tune.

As for the KnN, aslong as you put some good shielding in there, and get it as far away from sources of heat, and pop in a Cold Air Feed then it should provide good results :-)

As for the exhaust, if you are after a full system I presume milltek/blueflame are the ones to go for.

1,000 does seem about right though
DS Remap Device - 400/500?
Exhaust system - 400 max?
Knn with a shield and some ducting - 100?

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Old 31st May 2008, 15:25   #3
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the pricing is fair for the components used

its just a question of price versus results. And whether the extra 30bhp gained from £1000 is worth it, given that some say its not going to be 30bhp, according to ST drivers.


At least if i forked out £400 on a s/s exhaust, id be rewarded with a nice exhaust note. So that has an abvious and guaranteed difference.


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Old 31st May 2008, 15:33   #4
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I'd be really supprised if a 220 with exhaust and DS didnt make 250. And 30bhp is quite a big jump.

If it was me i'd be getting an exhaust and some decattage done on the cheap, followed by the DS if I was feeling flush enough.

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Old 31st May 2008, 15:57   #5
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Im sure a read somewhere at one point there was a supercharger avaliable for the ST220 giving it 300 bhp. Not sure if it is avaliable now though
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Old 31st May 2008, 16:00   #6
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Im sure a read somewhere at one point there was a supercharger avaliable for the ST220 giving it 300 bhp. Not sure if it is avaliable now though
A couple of turbos and SCs available for the Contour in the US. Not sure i've heard of one for the 220 though.

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Old 31st May 2008, 16:23   #7
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apparently some TVR tuner that did work on Ford V6s was offering a supercharger kit for them though.

TVRworks they were called. Theres a post a couple of years back i came across while googling. It was on pistonheads and linked to the site, But the sites gone now, and with it the company i presume.


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Old 31st May 2008, 16:57   #8
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the turbo /supercharger kits from the US should fit the mk3 mondeo aswell might some fettling on the pipe work but thats about it. Then these are performance exhaust manifolds from the US which will fit but will need a custom made exhaust system due to the way they have done the ST220 stock system


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Old 31st May 2008, 16:59   #9
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...will need a custom made exhaust system due to the way they have done the ST220 stock system
That's interesting - how have they done the stock system? Can't you just get a contour y-pipe and then bolt that onto the stock cat?

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That's interesting - how have they done the stock system? Can't you just get a contour y-pipe and then bolt that onto the stock cat?
nope as the ST220 doesn't have a Y pipe it two pipes all the way to the back.

The only cats on the ST220 are in the manifolds they didn't have a 3rd cat like the the other v6's


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nope as the ST220 doesn't have a Y pipe it two pipes all the way to the back.

The only cats on the ST220 are in the manifolds they didn't have a 3rd cat like the the other v6's
Two pipes all the way to the backboxes individually?

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Two pipes all the way to the backboxes individually?
No it only the first two silencers then it goes back to one to go round the fuel tank


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Old 31st May 2008, 18:05   #13
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I'd see if you can just get everything seperately. Am sure you can get it all for £600ish.

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nope. decent stainless exhaust will be £400 no matter where you go. Camskill sell on the blueflame system, and thats £400 there too.

Same goes for the miltek system, its about £400 on its own no matter where you go. And you just cant get remaps for much less than £400 these days.

The price for the components used is fine, the query was more related to the benefit of said components. Ie is it worth getting the kit when its got a K&N induction kit in it. Theres a 2 page thread with everybody slating them on these very forums.

And then like i said, others have doubted if the remaps make any difference. And there are even some who say the stainless exhaust systems loose power ..


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Old 31st May 2008, 18:32   #15
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I'd be sceptical about 30bhp with 'just' those mods personally, but guess depends how bad the stock equipment is.
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Old 31st May 2008, 18:37   #16
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me too, and theres far too many people saying the mods arent that good either, ie the K&N induction kit

I think i may just get a blueflame 'zorst so it sounds nice.


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that seems cheap if its a full milltek system, I presume it's just the CAT back for that price.

A CAT back milltek and a generic remap would be lucky to see a 20bhp gain on a N/A, the k&n kit will most likely lose you power compared to running the standard airbox with a panel filter.

The best way to get gains would be get a remap, generic or custom then get a full milltek system, including downpipe and high flow CAT. That would probably see 30bhp but will probably cost more like £1200
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Old 31st May 2008, 20:14   #18
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Don't think I would bother wasting a grand for just another 30bhp!

Save the money and put it towards a faster car in a few years!

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Old 31st May 2008, 20:15   #19
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can't you fit N0S for about £500?
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Old 31st May 2008, 20:25   #20
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I can't even be bothered to spend £250 to get mine to 255bhp let alone a grand!

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Old 31st May 2008, 20:26   #21
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Old 31st May 2008, 21:56   #22
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That kit is pants.

1) the K+N alone will not provide you much use unless you get some proper cold air feed and heatshielding in there as the engine is huge and spouts out so much heat all you get is heat loss unless relocating the filter
2) Miltek exhaust has been known to reduce power, be much better off getting a custom mij or blueflame exhaust which you can tune to have sound like you want plus it will be a better design
3) dreamscience box is good apparently i'm getting mine monday so can let you know how it goes.

Really if you're spending 1k I would be looking at pipercross vis filter + dreamscience and pocket the rest or get the custom exhaust for a bit more if you wish, the standard is supposed to be pretty good by all accounts.

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me too, and theres far too many people saying the mods arent that good either, ie the K&N induction kit

I think i may just get a blueflame 'zorst so it sounds nice.
Oh and they do thats for sure got a mongoose on mine which is the same system and it sounds amazing, I heard it burble properly for the first time today got somebody to drive it for me so I could hear it.

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well worth 250 tbh most remaps are more then that for similar gains
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If that is a custom remap with a RR as well as the militek exhaust it is a good price.

I don't know about the induction kit, imo it is useless. Just make sure you are fully aware of the potential risks, regardless of how little.


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2) Miltek exhaust has been known to reduce power, be much better off getting a custom mij or blueflame exhaust which you can tune to have sound like you want plus it will be a better design
I've never, ever heard of a milltek reducing a cars power, milltek and blue flame are regarded as the two best brands for after market exhausts in the VAG world and I imagine this would extend to other car manufacturers.

They are also application specific, i.e. they are tailored to be a direct replacement for your exact car and have been tested for optimum gains - custom exhausts pretty much never get the same gains as a researched and tested one such as a milltek
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I've never, ever heard of a milltek reducing a cars power, milltek and blue flame are regarded as the two best brands for after market exhausts in the VAG world and I imagine this would extend to other car manufacturers.

They are also application specific, i.e. they are tailored to be a direct replacement for your exact car and have been tested for optimum gains - custom exhausts pretty much never get the same gains as a researched and tested one such as a milltek
Well by the sounds of the st owners forums I am on which would know I suspect as they own these cars, the miltek actually had a design flaw and restricted flow. Yes they are very widely regarded but sometimes they get things wrong.

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but if they did they'd correct it in the next production run?

any time I've heard of them not getting things right they've either fixed it or taken it out of production while they develop a better one.

Is that the CAT back or full system? Maybe they just don't care as much about fords
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2) it uses a k&n induction kit, widely regarded to be absolute pants
how so?

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due to breathing loads of hot, less dense air

i also dont like the way a cone filter will lose the venturi etc that is built into the top of most airboxes
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