Or more rationally, instead of spending so much tax payers money trying to kill someone they should have locked him up in a cell and thrown away the key, metaphorically. Would be much cheaper and more ethical.
Poll: Death Penalty - Yay or Nay
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Or more rationally, instead of spending so much tax payers money trying to kill someone they should have locked him up in a cell and thrown away the key, metaphorically. Would be much cheaper and more ethical.
The problem is you drain more resources in trying to kill them, and you might make a mistake now and then and kill innocent people.
That's not justice, it's vengeance. Interestingly, a system similar to what you propose here is that which is currently used by the Islamic State. I am not surprised you share views with those savages.
Soldato
Out of interest, for those saying no on the grounds of morality or because the state shouldn't kill someone, are you for or against assisted suicides?
It's clearly cheaper to execute a person as opposed to 3/4/5 decades of incarceration. As for the ethical aspect, I could say to execute the prisoner would relieve him/her of decades of torment being locked up in a high security prison. It would also give the victims a sense of closure, something I feel has been overlooked in this thread so far. After all, it's the victims families who have the torment of a trail and the appeals that go on for decades where they need, or at asked, to attend. It's like the nightmare never ends for them, unless of course they are executed.
It maybe cheaper to murder an innocent person rather than re-examine the evidence but that doesn't make it the morally acceptable thing to do.
So you are in favor of introducing Sharia law in to the UK then?
I know. You have just highlighted ONE aspect of this situation. This thread has many other aspects. Judge and make your view based on all please.
That one aspect is why what you suggest is impossible in a civilized country.
Don't forget the phone calls from prison either legal or on a mobile which must be great for the victims and families.
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Why is this the case?
Soldato
as a young man I was pro capital punishment, especially pedophiles and child murderers,
Now I am the opposite, there is no place for it in a civilized society, we only become the same as those we are punishing if we have capitol punishment.
but that is not to say, that if they request it, and can be found to be of sane mind, that we shouldn't let them die and help them.
for someone sentenced to a whole life term, I can understand why they would just rather leave the planet, it would also save the tax payers money.
I would see it as euthanasia rather than punishment, as the punishment would have already been set (imprisonment)
I am alss pro euthanasia.
Now I am the opposite, there is no place for it in a civilized society, we only become the same as those we are punishing if we have capitol punishment.
but that is not to say, that if they request it, and can be found to be of sane mind, that we shouldn't let them die and help them.
for someone sentenced to a whole life term, I can understand why they would just rather leave the planet, it would also save the tax payers money.
I would see it as euthanasia rather than punishment, as the punishment would have already been set (imprisonment)
I am alss pro euthanasia.
Please excuse me but I'm going to stop replying to your posts in this thread. It's nothing personal, I'm sure you are a wonderful human being, fellow homo sapien, fabulous great ape and fellow mammal. However, I need some biscuits from the store, and I need them now. So I'm going to twoddle off and get them and come back and talk to someone else. This is nothing personal it's based on the combination of alphabetic symbols you promulgated a little earlier. Ok, so that's that then. Have a lovely evening and all the best to your family.
I think if they've done something really terrible to the point where they'll die in prison and there are no doubts surrounding their guilt then why not? it boggles my mind that the government are able to put money aside to babysit perpetrators of the most terrible crimes for the rest of their lives because of their human rights and yet at the same time have austerity programmes which are destroying the lives of normal people and even driving some to suicide.
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No, but life should actually mean life. Rape and pedophilia should also carry much, much longer sentences/ be life.
How paradoxical
The question is why people commit crimes? Are they mentally ill / damaged? If so then the death penalty verges on a eugenics program where we say those with a certain genetic makeup or illness should be culled.
Another alternative is that people are mentally functioning fine but they are a product of their environment. In this case it is difficult to argue that the person is at fault. At the extreme end it is a case of asking should vicious child soldiers who have committed unspeakable war crimes in the Congo be executed for their crimes?
The final alternative is that you believe in some kind of supernatural force called evil which people are born with or develop. A Star Wars style dark sidewhich they consciously feed into and from in a symbiotic relationship. This is the old school model I feel and the one tabloid newspapers like most.
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How paradoxical
The question is why people commit crimes? Are they mentally ill / damaged? If so then the death penalty verges on a eugenics program where we say those with a certain genetic makeup or illness should be culled.
Another alternative is that people are mentally functioning fine but they are a product of their environment. In this case it is difficult to argue that the person is at fault. At the extreme end it is a case of asking should vicious child soldiers who have committed unspeakable war crimes in the Congo be executed for their crimes?
The final alternative is that you believe in some kind of supernatural force called evil which people are born with or develop. A Star Wars style dark sidewhich they consciously feed into and from in a symbiotic relationship. This is the old school model I feel and the one tabloid newspapers like most.
Genetics has a lot to do with it, but it's probably taboo to discuss it. It's bizarre people buying a horse or a pedigree dog will basically consider genetics, and study the pedigrees and lineage, but they'll marry and breed with some slapper `cos she has a pretty face and nice legs, whilst her direct family are near to being considered psychopaths, with a history of mental illness and substance abuse
Anyone who breeds dogs for example will tell you some lines are disposed to aggression, or seizures, or mental health issues, and no responsible breeder would continue the line. But people? It's all societies fault, or they are economically deprived, or their education is poor. they are never plain genetically flawed. But such excuses are often in denial of unpalatable facts.
A doctor friend would have had no compunction in calling a child backwards or "simple" 50 years ago, but now they have to couch the truth in new medical terms to placate the sensibilities of the parents, who often show such traits in themselves.
The recent surge in marrying blood cousins is an undeniable example of poor genetics causing a raft of medical issues.
Bad genes can also produce psychological issues. Prison doesn't result in genetic cleansing though. Nor does counselling. Sad, but true.
Fascinating subject for the next dinner party