Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

[SixTwoSix]

The problem is no one knows about this and even when you try and tell them, no one cares.

I've told loads of people at work over the last few weeks (maybe 15+ individuals), I get the occasional fake show of concern and then they go about their business. The only person who seemed actually bothered was someone who streams a lot of movies. They came back to me the next day and said they'll just have to pay for a VPN instead.

 

[Narj]

Well Liberty UK are taking the government to court over this so hope isn't lost. I've donated already.

 

[Mynight]

Well Liberty UK are taking the government to court over this so hope isn't lost. I've donated already.

Do you have a link?

 

[Narj]

Do you have a link?

https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaigning/no-snooperscharter

See the donate link.

I have dumped social media but please share far and wide.

God, why are so many people selfish, ignorant and compliant these days? "What do I have to hide?" well, actually, a lot but you don't realise it YOU IGNORANT ****! We have reached, "peak idiot" where the Government can do pretty much what they want and there will be no revolution because everyone's too pre-occupied with what's going on with Strictly Come Dancing or Jungle Animal Abuse.

FFS I hate our political system. I won't bore people but I think that on the whole, we've become a horrible bunch of self-centred people that have no concern about wider society anymore.

It's not happening right now, but soon, uber frau May will know what you are fapping to. The EU may be our only hope now and the irony is certainly not lost on me.

 

[Mynight]

Ahh I did find the correct page. I wasn't sure if there was actually one where they were beginning proceedings or not.

If it actually goes to court I'll happily pay for a few hours of their lawyers time .


Sadly I expect if it does get challenged under the right to privacy or a similar law we will just be speeding up the UKs version of human rights(the right to nought).

Heck with Brexit looking at starting in March (iirc) EU can't help us now.

I hate to be all doom and gloom but this is barely the beginning.

 

[Narj]

Sadly I expect if it does get challenged under the right to privacy or a similar law we will just be speeding up the UKs version of human rights(the right to nought).

Make no mistake, Theresa May wants us to have *no* Human Rights at all (stick 'em all in Gitmo suits etc). This is the fundamental flaw of letting a ****ing obsessive Home Office idiot with a religious superiority complex become Prime Minister.

I will be throwing all the money I can spare at Liberty in the hope of this being overturned.

I didn't like him but Cameron leaving the PM post marked the start of very dark times indeed for the UK. I despise the EU political institution but in hindsight I think I may have changed my vote given the ramifications I'm now seeing. This really is not good for any of us and there is no credible opposition (actually Labour supported this ****storm).

 

[Mynight]

To be honest I voted in just because I trust the UK government even less than the EU one. Sad I know.

 

[Narj]

To be honest I voted in just because I trust the UK government even less than the EU one. Sad I know.

I'm toying with starting a petition based on these terms in all honesty. I didn't think leaving the EU would mean we'd get Stasi Government.

I'll mull it over, but hopefully some brave soul will do it first. My employer probably wouldn't appreciate me getting involved in political controversy.

I'm usually not a political person, but I find that along with friends, I'm becoming more and more angry with the status quo as time goes on. The last year is the biggest **** up I've seen. I really hope a snap election is called because I think the Tories' confidence is misplaced. I think they are idiots but I'll probably vote Lib Dem or Green because at least they respect our rights and opposed the snoopers' charter.

 

[Nitefly]

To be honest I voted in just because I trust the UK government even less than the EU one. Sad I know.

Same.

 

[Mynight]

I'm usually not a political person, but I find that along with friends, I'm becoming more and more angry with the status quo as time goes on. The last year is the biggest **** up I've seen.

Sadly I'm feeling the same. I wonder if its because of the recent decisions or that I am getting older. I certainly didn't give a crap a few years ago .

Sadly I cannot start up such a petition either . Although I'm unsure on how it would be worded to be effective/get past the petition committee.

I really hope a snap election is called because I think the Tories' confidence is misplaced. I think they are idiots but I'll probably vote Lib Dem because at least they respect our rights and opposed the snoopers' charter.

Missed the edit. I would support such an election however I believe we'd still get shafted. I don't think lib dems have enough support to derail this train.

Sadly both Labour and Conservatives are going with the flow here in regards to snoopers/brexit. Short of some kind of miracle it's full steam ahead.

 

[Narj]

Hah - maybe this is where the "remoaners" and "brexidiots" finally see past their differences and see that we're all going to be equally shafted.

I really am fuming over this. I don't think I've ever been this wound up over a political issue (Brexit was a walk in the park and I wasn't that emotional either way).

Everyone at work is the same. The people in security at my place are having kittens over the whole thing.

 

[datalol-jack]

https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaigning/no-snooperscharter

See the donate link.

I have dumped social media but please share far and wide.

God, why are so many people selfish, ignorant and compliant these days? "What do I have to hide?" well, actually, a lot but you don't realise it YOU IGNORANT ****! We have reached, "peak idiot" where the Government can do pretty much what they want and there will be no revolution because everyone's too pre-occupied with what's going on with Strictly Come Dancing or Jungle Animal Abuse.

FFS I hate our political system. I won't bore people but I think that on the whole, we've become a horrible bunch of self-centred people that have no concern about wider society anymore.

It's not happening right now, but soon, uber frau May will know what you are fapping to. The EU may be our only hope now and the irony is certainly not lost on me.

Donated, and what's that I see -- talking the common man down, eh, eh?

 

[Narj]

Donated, and what's that I see -- talking the common man down, eh, eh?

While I love your attempts to stir, it's sadly true, sir. The ignorance is at every level of society.

"I've nothing to hide - that midget porn on my smartphone is nothing to be ashamed of, right? What about this rainbow shower stuff and the double fis... oh!"

If you can figure out a way to get 18 million legitimate votes on the petitions website, we may have a way out of this crap!

 

[datalol-jack]

While I love your attempts to stir, it's sadly true.

"I've nothing to hide - that midget porn on my smartphone is nothing to be ashamed of, right? What about this rainbow shower stuff and the double fis... oh!"

The Petitions Committee has decided not to schedule a debate on this petition. When it decides which petitions should be debated, the Committee looks at whether the subject has recently been debated by the House of Commons.

People: But Gov, 18 million?
Gov: Sorry, debated already.
People: ;_;

Indeed, I fully agree that one does occasionally meet and lose to real thickness sometimes; there's just no other word for it! You can try a few arguments, but if they're really that unconcerned about their privacy/life, then let them make the mistakes from which they hopefully can learn. Got to keep the issue alive, though.

I think this either has to become a GE issue, a petition on a specific point of surveillance (as the main bill has sailed through), which they can't bat away with 'debated, done, hey-ho' or a legal challenge.

The latter is interesting of course, because if May wants to strip away any more rights from us via her Bill of Rights, it has to go through Parliament again.

 

[Narj]

People: But Gov, 18 million?
Gov: Sorry, debated already.
People: ;_;

Indeed, I fully agree that one does occasionally meet and lose to real thickness sometimes; there's just no other word for it! You can try a few arguments, but if they're really that unconcerned about their privacy/life, then let them make the mistakes from which they hopefully can learn. Got to keep the issue alive, though.

I honestly don't know whether it's ignorance or apathy that's the problem. They are equally dangerous and damaging IMO.

I think this either has to become a GE issue, a petition on a specific point of surveillance (as the main bill has sailed through), which they can't bat away with 'debated, done, hey-ho' or a legal challenge.

I note that the petition regarding electoral reform also got batted away, despite the mentioning of AV being worthless. FFS let's have STV and get rid of tactical voting. I don't know about anyone else but I'm fed up with my vote being worthless unless I'm in a marginal constituency.

 

[datalol-jack]

I note that the petition regarding electoral reform also got batted away, despite the mentioning of AV being worthless. FFS let's have STV and get rid of tactical voting. I don't know about anyone else but I'm fed up with my vote being worthless unless I'm in a marginal constituency.

Tory, PR? Ha! The hell would sooner freeze; it's like asking Republicans if they'd support a proportional electoral college -- ain't happening while they're grasping onto the straws of power.

Having said that, Lord Ashdown did try to start a Momentum-like creature of no political-party affiliation: http://www.moreunited.uk/. It's as close as you're getting to a rainbow coalition for electoral reform and other funky values for a while.

 

[Narj]

Having said that, Lord Ashdown did try to start a Momentum-like creature of no political-party affiliation: http://www.moreunited.uk/. It's as close as you're getting to a rainbow coalition for electoral reform and other funky values for a while.

This looks interesting... how will the elected candidates deal with the party whips, though?

 

[datalol-jack]

This looks interesting... how will the elected candidates deal with the party whips, though?

That's yet to be decided:

Yes, we will publish a constitution and set of rules based on the provisions outlined in these FAQs in January 2017.

Although:

Our values are a set of fundamental beliefs which define what we stand for. Our policies are those key actions which we want politicians to take in order to help achieve those values. MPs who are elected with More United support will be expected to act in accordance with our values and give active support to our policies.

On core issues such as electoral reform, I expect the two finger salute to be given to the whips should they disagree. The idea of things like Momentum and More United is to separate MPs from their over-dependence on the party machinery, money and tribal votes, so they can actually exercise some judgement.

 

[Narj]

I'll keep an eye on that and spread the word!

Let's face it, we usually have to vote for whichever party displeases us the least.

If people from all political stances can vote for someone that represents the majority of their views then that is a game changer. Especially as the traditional left and right segregation is essentially dead now...

 

[datalol-jack]

I'll keep an eye on that and spread the word!

Let's face it, we usually have to vote for whichever party displeases us the least.

If people from all political stances can vote for someone that represents the majority of their views then that is a hammer changer. Especially as the traditional left and right is essentially dead now...

Even the idea of party whips is only a natural extension of having two large parties with very broad allegiances. Get something like STV through, and the need for such antics dissipates, with parties forming more formal coalitions when needed.

Neither More United or Momentum are perfect, but it's a step forward in the digital age. I believe they've got WolfPAC in the States. One or all may collapse, or something new will come out of them. But it's all a way to channel the protest of things like Occupy into a meaningful political movement that works through whatever legislature is appropriate to get things done without big donors (I'd much rather let corporations let their employees contribute as individuals, for example, using their own judgement, and let big donors only contribute a set amount no greater or less than standard tiers for everyone else) with big strings or silly tribalism and dogma, which does not affect large swathes of cross-party territory.