15 months in jail.... for graffiti
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Almost all companies will have a warning along the following lines...
"graffiti / shoplifting will be punished to the full extent the law allows"
Perfectly right for the company to push for the harshest possible sentence, someone has to suffer to be made an example of and since they're all criminals i don't really have any sympathy.
"graffiti / shoplifting will be punished to the full extent the law allows"
Perfectly right for the company to push for the harshest possible sentence, someone has to suffer to be made an example of and since they're all criminals i don't really have any sympathy.
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Aint that the sad truth.
A community service order would have been a far more appropriate sentnence is these circumstances where they clean train stations and the like of graffiti. They have committed criminal damage and that shouldn't be overlooked but sentences of 12 and 15 months?
Naseem Hamed got 15 months for killing another man. Are the two comparable?
You can rarely get persistent burglars, thieves and outright thugs over the wall for 12-15 months these days.
As I recall, they were both reported as having no previous convictions and it is surely not proportionate to send them to jail for that amount of time in the grand scheme of things. When first sent down they will likely go to a high security prison until they are categorised and they will mix with people far above them in the criminal ladder and will also be exposed and witness to shocking violence that often goes unreported or makes the press. A mate of mine is a prison warder in a maximum security prison and the tales told do not make pleasant listening. Some people get their face carved just for looking at another person the wrong way after he's had a letter with bad news.
Recently, one of the people convicted of the 21/7 bombing attempts had boiling water and sugar poured over his face and had he not been who he is in such a high profile case then that would not have made the news yet these things happen almost on a weekly basis.
I am not condoning their actions but I do hope that they appeal successfully and get their sentence commuted to a community based punishment. First time offenders for such a crime do not belong in prison and you risk them coming out far more hardened criminals than when they went in. That is where the system fails.
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I think that would rather defeat the point. Frankly, if you've punished someone twice and they haven't learnt doing it again isn't going to work so you take them out of circulation so they're not going to do any more harm and give them to the prison system long enough that they've a chance to work with them.
I personally do now want them to get out early. While the graffiti is not a particularly henious crime, it is a sign of an underlying lack of respect or consideration towards other people and their property.
The individuals concerned were not first time offenders, they had applied their "art" to numerous trains and items of infrastructure on the main line as detailed below
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1014/1014831_end_of_line_for_graffiti_pests.html
Not only had they targetted the national rail network, but also a preserved steam railway, run entirely by volunteers.
The individuals concerned were not first time offenders, they had applied their "art" to numerous trains and items of infrastructure on the main line as detailed below
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1014/1014831_end_of_line_for_graffiti_pests.html
Not only had they targetted the national rail network, but also a preserved steam railway, run entirely by volunteers.
Jesus H Christ i never knew that. Man that is so wrong i haven't the words. I thought it was because they were well known crooks & had major records or summit.
To stick two dudes not used to mixing with Crims in jail is way out of order. How wrong can one judge be a
Remember that 13k is the cost to clean it up. What it doesn't cover is the affect it has on people who have to come to work every day on the train looking at a run-down vandalised area. Before you laugh, think about how much more pleasant it is walking down a clean well-maintained street than one with litter blowing in your face and around your ankles. Take that small effect and multiply it by hundreds of people over hundreds of days. Personally I'd say that the likely time they'll spend in jail (less than half of 15 months) is an apt punishment.
For the people sticking up for grafitti as an art form, I strongly doubt these were a couple of repressed Banksy's. "Boz Woz Hear" doesn't count as art.
For the people sticking up for grafitti as an art form, I strongly doubt these were a couple of repressed Banksy's. "Boz Woz Hear" doesn't count as art.
Quoted for truth. Seems a little harsh, but why should we put up with their crap. Scratching stuff onto train windows, defacing property and making public transport look like ****. Fair punishment I say. Probaly seems harsh because most other sentences are too light.
Jesus H Christ i never knew that. Man that is so wrong i haven't the words. I thought it was because they were well known crooks & had major records or summit.
To stick two dudes not used to mixing with Crims in jail is way out of order. How wrong can one judge be a
They ARE criminals, so they'll be right at home.
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At HaX. They asked for offences to be TICd so they were guilty of numerous offences but in terms of criminal convictions they were first time offenders.
While I hear people calling them to be flogged I just wonder how much of a danger these lads are to society? When violent offenders walk free and taggers are jailed for 12-15 months you have to ask where the logic is in that.
When a cop and a reformed chap like malc agree on such a heavy and unwarranted sentence then you have to wonder what the judge was thinking when sentencing. Any BTP cop rubbing his hands at them being sentenced does not share my view.
I don't bat an eyelid at dangerous people being sentenced and welcome it but these two? No. A community punishment would have been far more fitting.
While I hear people calling them to be flogged I just wonder how much of a danger these lads are to society? When violent offenders walk free and taggers are jailed for 12-15 months you have to ask where the logic is in that.
When a cop and a reformed chap like malc agree on such a heavy and unwarranted sentence then you have to wonder what the judge was thinking when sentencing. Any BTP cop rubbing his hands at them being sentenced does not share my view.
I don't bat an eyelid at dangerous people being sentenced and welcome it but these two? No. A community punishment would have been far more fitting.
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In light of it being there first offence, it does seem rather harsh.
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No they won't. They will be a million miles from.
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Heheh, that's quality! Is it not photoshopped though?
Jesus H Christ i never knew that. Man that is so wrong i haven't the words. I thought it was because they were well known crooks & had major records or summit.
To stick two dudes not used to mixing with Crims in jail is way out of order. How wrong can one judge be a
Are they not criminals?
If the crime they committed carries a 15 month sentence then that's what they should serve.
I agree that people committing violent crimes should get longer sentences, doesn't make this ruling incorrect though.
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HI there
I don't think the sentence is harsh, they caused a lot of damaged and then bragged about their work on the internet. They should go to jail and should also have to work/earn the money to pay for the damage as well as jail.
However what is wrong is sentencing in this country.
In this case the punishment is good, however how come people commiting more serious crimes such a stealing cars, joy riding, assault, robbery are either getting similar sentences or not going to jail at all? Now thats where the system is flawed!!!
I don't think the sentence is harsh, they caused a lot of damaged and then bragged about their work on the internet. They should go to jail and should also have to work/earn the money to pay for the damage as well as jail.
However what is wrong is sentencing in this country.
In this case the punishment is good, however how come people commiting more serious crimes such a stealing cars, joy riding, assault, robbery are either getting similar sentences or not going to jail at all? Now thats where the system is flawed!!!
There also seems to be a problem with the types of people who get punished. Recently a "sort of" relative of mine drove his mates car whilst under a ban due to drink driving, heavily drunk with a pocket full of weed. The car had no tax or MOT, he lost control on a bridge and took out a lamp post. He recieved a fine, that's all, just a fine and the biggest **** take is that this fine came to about the same as it costs me for a years car tax. Had that been myself I feel the punishment would have been a lot more severe.
I disagree that these kids should lose a year of their life due to painting where they shouldn't, yes it's wrong and illegal but I thought prisons were full at the minute, lets lock people up who are a genuine threat to society
Make them clean it all off with a toothbrush.The first two punishments would be communtie service, electronic tagging, rehabilitation work. If they get the third strike they go to prison. Prison might reform them, it might not. I don't think the first time in prison should be for years and years and years.