15 months in jail.... for graffiti
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Was the graffitti they did good?
Some of the stuff on German trains and walls etc. looks bloody awesome.
Although I appreciate decent artwork, if they painted someone else's property to the extent they did, have been caught a couple times before, AcidHell2 said they were (can't see the source of that info though - I did a google and couldn't find anything other than people saying it's a ridiculous charge for first time offenders - although records for juvenile offences are not retained, so the could've done something as children, though surely then this would be treated as a first offence? (not to distract from the scale of damage caused)) and rehabilitation has been attempted a couple times, what else can you do but send them to prison?
Some of the stuff on German trains and walls etc. looks bloody awesome.
Although I appreciate decent artwork, if they painted someone else's property to the extent they did, have been caught a couple times before, AcidHell2 said they were (can't see the source of that info though - I did a google and couldn't find anything other than people saying it's a ridiculous charge for first time offenders - although records for juvenile offences are not retained, so the could've done something as children, though surely then this would be treated as a first offence? (not to distract from the scale of damage caused)) and rehabilitation has been attempted a couple times, what else can you do but send them to prison?
Just talked to my mate, who tells the judge what they can and can't do.
Graffiti, comes under criminal damage. Which can be a lot more than 15months. He was quite shocked, until I said it was 13k. Then he thought it was normal. Apparently under criminal damage the cost of damage heavily influences the punishment. The parents offering to pay is nether here nor there and can't be be used in court.
Graffiti, comes under criminal damage. Which can be a lot more than 15months. He was quite shocked, until I said it was 13k. Then he thought it was normal. Apparently under criminal damage the cost of damage heavily influences the punishment. The parents offering to pay is nether here nor there and can't be be used in court.
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Eighteen months for bandying cliches about. Next victim...
not excessive in the slightest.
my parents own a shop and we have little ****'s grafitting the shutters outside, makes the whole place look disgusting and filthy!
these kids know what they are doing and deserved to be caught.
just last week on the shop opposite us, which has been closed for about a year, three men sprayed swashtikas (sp?) and "white pride" over the whole building.
a year ago a man was killed on the railway tracks while grafitting. he is very famous among grafitti "artists", his tag was oZone. you will see it when you go on the trains, the amount of tags he has left is just ridiculous.
the local paper took the viewpoint as being really upset that he died, i however and many people that i know took the opposite view point, he got what he deserved!
**** you. I knew of Ozone myself.
Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. The same old "graffiti makes people feel scared, and that crime exists in the area" etc. So as soon as the council come and buff the walls, the smackheads, prostitutes, dealers dissapear too?! Of course.
Irrelevant really, if it's not their property they have no right to "decorate" it. Art is totally subjective so not everyone will share the same viewpoint about how it looks. The property owner has the final say on whether his/her wall is painted on.
Still a harsh sentence but I won't lose any sleep.
Good point, I mean why bother arresting anyone for anything? if you arrest all the drug dealers the murderers will still be around, let's let people drink and drive because even if we lock all those people up there will still be tax dodgers
No one is saying that they are glad that Ozone is dead but they realise that someone breaking the law and playing on train tracks may just be looking for trouble, well, he found it.
We are talking about kids spraying a bit of paint around here aren't we. I feel the police & courts resources would be more suited to those drug dealers you mention.
The main problem i have with this is that those dudes although Criminals technically are not the types of criminals that our Prison resources should be used on. If we had lots of space in prisons then fair enough but you do realise we have a problem with the prison poulation at the moment don't you.
On top of that a year inside will only turn these dudes into Real criminals & will in No way reform them.
Comments about Ozone deserving to die for spraying are laughable & disgustingly sick & shows more about the lack of your own character than anything else.
The main problem i have with this is that those dudes although Criminals technically are not the types of criminals that our Prison resources should be used on. If we had lots of space in prisons then fair enough but you do realise we have a problem with the prison poulation at the moment don't you.
On top of that a year inside will only turn these dudes into Real criminals & will in No way reform them.
Comments about Ozone deserving to die for spraying are laughable & disgustingly sick & shows more about the lack of your own character than anything else.
Y'know what...When I've been away for a while and am on a train or driving home, I never really start to feel like I'm 'there' until I see familiar graff.
I never feel like I'm in Berwick until I see something I threw.
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PS: Anyone in Tyne and Wear seen what's on the rail bridge over the Tyne?
I never feel like I'm in Berwick until I see something I threw.
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PS: Anyone in Tyne and Wear seen what's on the rail bridge over the Tyne?
I did say as well that further down my post.
Was just making the point that mess to someone is art to someone else, but yeah, they don't have the right to smother someone else's property with it no matter how good it may look.
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Should never goto jail for such an offence, should get community work and just forced to pay for all the recovery's, I don't want to pay tax for someone that only painted a few walls.
Seriously, what's bad about this, doesn't anyone ''borrow'' his dad's car to practise driving just before his final driving test to get a better chance of passing?
Agree with other stuff you mentioned.
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Exactly. They could well end up far worse than when they went in anf for what? High value criminal damage. 13k is not a fortune and that cost could have been offset by comunity service, travelling to stations and the like and remoing such graffiti.
Yes they have damaged trains and property and that includes a voluntary railway project and the damage caused does not in any way get condoned. If the taggers were persistent as in they broke any bail conditions or restrictions on them and / or had previous convictions and carried on then I would not be having this debate.
My point is that these lads are first and foremost not a danger to society and they will be exposed to a regime where quite horrific things can happen and that does not, in my opinion, fit the crime of criminal damage. Perhaps it is only people in the know that understand this?
Incorrect.
The sentence of the case you quoted was ridiculous... this one is in my opinion deserved.
20 and 18, they're not kids and knew what they were doing. The parents said:
"As parents, we offered to pay the money just to keep them out of prison, so that my son could go to university which he should have started this week."
As parents perhaps they should have brought their kids up better... they should have to pay the damage and have their kids jailed.
Any pics of the graffiti? I bet it looks rubbish. I think the punishment is fine, to many scum that do not respect other people and their property. They should reintroduce lashings, every chav should be lashed at regular intervals.
i merely stated a very similar case where far more damage has been done and the sentences involved.
im not here to wrangle over the issue of graffiti. in comparison with my friends case, these guys are getting a very harsh punishment.