Bilingual clap trap.

[Biohazard]

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Acts of Union 1707

lol

Scotland never has been apart of England, in terms of territory.

AOU 1707 never annexed Scotland as another county of England. It did, however, bring about Great Britain.. with distinct countries within these isles making up the whole that became the start of the British Empire.

Prima Nocta.. well that is disputed. I find it hard to believe myself that this was custom at the time, enforced as a carpet over all. This is not to say that the English never raped, nor impossed and leveled humiliating conditions and punishments on the people.

 

[Hixxy]

Your first language is Welsh, but you don't know anyone whose first language is Welsh..

nope it's just that kids grow up learning both languages side by side, to say that most welsh kids get to school age and don't know how to converse in english is just not true.

i class welsh as my first language because that's the language i'd use with another welsh speaker. doesn't mean i learnt welsh before english though and same goes for every small welsh child i know.

 

[Shoseki]

One thing I would say though. Welsh speak welsh. No-one else speaks welsh. So if you are really keen on isolating yourselves from the entire world, be my guest...

 

[Justintime]

I am surprised at the level of "Anti-Welshness" in this thread by you guys. Is it any wonder that a percentage of the Welsh dislike the English attitude towards them when that is the attitudes you have?

Not welsh, but seriously, didja expect much better from GD?

 

[Angilion]

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Acts of Union 1707

There is actually something called "The Braveheart Mentality"... where people think it's true and the English behaved like that, prima nocta is real.... etc....

The statement was that Scotland has never been part of England (unlike Wales). That's true. The Act of Union 1707 didn't make Scotland part of England. It created the United Kingdom. Wales was conquered by England and therefore became part of England. Scotland unified with England sort of voluntarily. Many Scots had clubbed together to gamble the Scottish economy on a risky venture, which failed, and chose unification with England as the best way to get a lot of money quickly - if the countries were unified, England would have to bail out Scotland.

Jus prima nocta isn't even the right phrase - the people who made it up were obviously a bit rusty with Latin. It would be jus primae noctis if it existed, which it didn't.

 

[Angilion]

OK I'll stop now

It appears that you don't even know why you're doing it. Maybe someone is using your account to ruin your reputation by making you look like a mannerless liar.

 

[Angilion]

lol

Scotland never has been apart of England, in terms of territory.

AOU 1707 never annexed Scotland as another county of England. It did, however, bring about Great Britain.. with distinct countries within these isles making up the whole that became the start of the British Empire.

Prima Nocta.. well that is disputed. I find it hard to believe myself that this was custom at the time, enforced as a carpet over all. This is not to say that the English never raped, nor impossed and leveled humiliating conditions and punishments on the people.

The earliest mention of jus primae noctis refers to it as a Scottish custom(*).

To be blunt, I think you're just groping for a reason to hate "the English" who you attribute such an array of nastiness to.

* It also refers to it as being introduced by a king who never even existed. That is the sort of quality of "evidence" that exists for it.

 

[semi-pro waster]

To be blunt, I think you're just groping for a reason to hate "the English" who you attribute such an array of nastiness to.

I must be interpreting Biohazard's post in an entirely different way because I don't get that impression from the post at all. He states that he doesn't believe Prima Nocta (or Jus Primae Noctis if you prefer) was a custom of the time (and as you say evidence is supportive of this position) but also quite fairly points out that the English may well have carried out a variety of other despicable acts. I know the Scots have done some pretty vile things in the name of war and power so I may be going out on a limb but I'd call it safe to assume that the English have done the same, as did every other nation of the time.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I don't think it's right to include Scotland in that. Unlike Wessex and Wales, Scotland has never been part of England.

No, you are quite correct that Scotland hasn't but I meant in general terms all have a 'claim' to be separate from England. Any of them separating from England could lead to a renegotiation of the UKs EU membership status in theory.

 

[Angilion]

I must be interpreting Biohazard's post in an entirely different way because I don't get that impression from the post at all. He states that he doesn't believe Prima Nocta (or Jus Primae Noctis if you prefer) was a custom of the time (and as you say evidence is supportive of this position) but also quite fairly points out that the English may well have carried out a variety of other despicable acts. I know the Scots have done some pretty vile things in the name of war and power so I may be going out on a limb but I'd call it safe to assume that the English have done the same, as did every other nation of the time.

I think that some people from every other nation of the time raped, oppressed, etc, which is why I think that singling out "the English" for it does mean something more than simply saying that rape, oppression, etc existed in the period of time being referred to. Particularly in the context of a thread blaming "the English".

 

[gambitt]

Gambitt is awesome.

why thank you

 

[Angilion]

Is your social status really so low that you need to pretend people write nice things about you? How sad. I hope your life improves in the future.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I think that some people from every other nation of the time raped, oppressed, etc, which is why I think that singling out "the English" for it does mean something more than simply saying that rape, oppression, etc existed in the period of time being referred to. Particularly in the context of a thread blaming "the English".

I still read it totally differently. I agree that every other nation has done similar or worse acts however the idea of jus primae noctis is/was allegedly something that was instituted by the English so when Biohazard says that he doesn't believe it a custom but that the English have done similar things. From what was posted I would only interpret it as a simple statement of fact, as appropriate, in the context of the thread but you obviously got something else from it.

 

[gambitt]

you want to go out on a date?

sorry skipper, I'm strictly butter side up.

 

[Angilion]

I still read it totally differently. I agree that every other nation has done similar or worse acts however the idea of jus primae noctis is/was allegedly something that was instituted by the English so when Biohazard says that he doesn't believe it a custom but that the English have done similar things. From what was posted I would only interpret it as a simple statement of fact, as appropriate, in the context of the thread but you obviously got something else from it.

Yes, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, jus primae noctis was allegedly instituted in various parts of Europe and Great Britain. The earliest reference to it that I can find claims that it started in Scotland. Secondly, nationalities don't rape, humiliate, etc, anyone. Until recently, only a tiny number of English people ever went to Scotland. So the idea that "the English" were/are rapists who "impossed (sic) and leveled humiliating conditions and punishments on the people" is irrational prejudice.

 

[Angilion]

sorry skipper, I'm strictly butter side up.

How nice for you. Nicer for me, though, as I wouldn't want to date anyone who is as much of an inconsiderate liar as you are. So thank you ever so much for your offer, but the answer is "no".

 

[Alchemy]

Jocks are scum.

 

[gambitt]

My mental image of Angilion:

 

[bfar]

We've got the same thing in Ireland - all official stuff has to be printed in Irish and English. Irish is obligatory in schools aswell. Whole thing costs a fortune. Teachers have to be Irish trained, which makes it very difficult for foreign teachers to get work in primary schools.

Now I'm all for language revival, but forcing it on people is counter productive - it makes people bitter about it. Making students learn Irish in schools has probably done more damage to the revival than good.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Jocks are scum.

I'm sure you have a helpful and useful post to contribute to this discussion, unfortunately that isn't it. Feel free to try again though and not stick an inappropriate smiley on the end.