2007 Japanese GP - Race 15/17

Actually this waving flags thing is really dangerous I mean what about all of those yellow ones they were waving sheesh anything could have happened.

How many points does Seb get for driving without due care
 
Seriously doubt anything will come of this. Hamilton winning the title this year is worth many millions, maybe billions to F1 and their sponsors. Maybe he shouldn't have slowed down so much but no way is the accident his fault - he can't be responsible for the cars behind him.

Course nothing will happen, the only reason the Mclaren drivers didn't get disqualified from this years WDC was so that Hamilton could win.

As for the few that are whining about Alonso giving his view on what happened... It's the same incidents and hugely erratic driving that many of us were saying "he better watch out with that" but because Alonso's said it, it's all lies and there was nothing happening, conspiracy, pro-Ferrari, blah blah blah.
Can't believe people are trying to come up with excuses aswell, if Schumacher had done this we'd all be flying over to his house and burning him in the town square...
From what I've seen it's questionable driving in crap conditions, and 2 other drivers got tangled up. No need for punishments on anyone, maybe the FIA could raise the issue and not ruin it for the drivers. Poor Vettel! :(

Edit: It could also be argued that Hamilton shouldn't have been in the situation where he was going much faster than the SC so had to make a move to avoid hitting it. ;)
Euro_Hunter said:
Should be the same as on the road, if you rear end someone your'e the one at fault.
I assume you're joking?
 
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Thats because it will have picked on a driver you like, nothing to do with the politics. F1 has been like this with politics for as long as I can remember.

Chances are you didn't care because it wasn't a driver you liked.

For as long as I've been watching and reading F1 it's been about 70% politics, 30% racing.

Yet now people are making a fuss because they think Golden boy might get some stick.

True but then for me Hamilton has made me want to watch The GP's this year.

Usually I record the full race watch the build up & start & about 5 laps then fast forward the race and stop if anything exciting happens (not very often)

Each year the racing seems to get more & more boring the the majority of the overtaking takes place in the pits.
 
Right, he did take a tighter line and moved wide (right). He couldve done this to avoid hitting the safety car. His excuse would be: "Guv, I was going too quickly, so I thought I had to brake. While this happened, I thought I saw a puddle of water and new that would create problems for me, so I decided to take a wide line and do a sharp right. Sorry Guv, but I thought I was going to cause an accident, so I had to take appropriate action. It was move I implemented purely in the interests of safety."

Any good?

Keep in mind that before Hamilton is questioned over this, the McLaren people will fill his ears with what to say and give a valid reason that cannot be disproved and will get him off. I would be absolutely shocked if the FIA make this one stick.


It won't matter what Mclaren tell him. The Stewards will want to see proof of all 3 drivers braking acceleration etc.

I'm not saying Lewis did much wrong, I just dont think the running wide excuse would stick. Neither will I thought I was going to cause an accident because then he has admitted he was going to fast behind the SC to be able to make the turn without hitting it.

As I said, personally I would want to see webbers braking/accel at that corner. I think he panicked and lifted.

Really I dont see why people are moaning so much about the FIA etc, he hasn't been charged with anything. Just asked to explain the incident to stewards now this new evidence has come up.

No different to normal except it's the golden child.
 
Why? I know its rather simplistic but if every driver only has to worry about the car in front (under safety car situations) there shouldn't be too many problems.

Though its very hard to tell if the driver is braking or accelerating. So if you want to warm your tires up and asumed the other drive was as well then its ok. But if you did what webber and vettel then it can go wrong.
 
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True but then for me Hamilton has made me want to watch The GP's this year.

Each year the racing seems to get more & more boring the the majority of the overtaking takes place in the pits.

So why did hamilton make you get back into it, if your view of F1 is soured because of pitstop racing then why hamilton?

He didnt overtake a soul for about the first 10 gps.

Personally I dont get the hype. He doesnt overtake that much, never really gets the job done in the pitlane either. Hasnt pulled off any WOW passes. Hes done a good job as a rookie no doubt but he's been better prepared than any driver in history for F1.

Its hard to judge his talent because he's driving a fully loaded playstation game.

Someone mentioned in this thread Senna or MS couldnt have done a better job. They actually need to watch Senna in the rain, without Traction control and miles more horsepower or the kick of a turbo.

When everyone fawned over his donnington lap the man himself said it wasnt special because he had a TC system working well. He rated other wet drives far higher.
 
Personally I dont get the hype. He doesnt overtake that much, never really gets the job done in the pitlane either. Hasnt pulled off any WOW passes. Hes done a good job as a rookie no doubt but he's been better prepared than any driver in history for F1.

Thank you, someone else agree's too :p
 
So why did hamilton make you get back into it, if your view of F1 is soured because of pitstop racing then why hamilton?

He didnt overtake a soul for about the first 10 gps.

Personally I dont get the hype. He doesnt overtake that much, never really gets the job done in the pitlane either. Hasnt pulled off any WOW passes. Hes done a good job as a rookie no doubt but he's been better prepared than any driver in history for F1.

Its hard to judge his talent because he's driving a fully loaded playstation game.

Someone mentioned in this thread Senna or MS couldnt have done a better job. They actually need to watch Senna in the rain, without Traction control and miles more horsepower or the kick of a turbo.

When everyone fawned over his donnington lap the man himself said it wasnt special because he had a TC system working well. He rated other wet drives far higher.

It's easy to criticise any modern-day F1 driver simply because of the climate they are competing in. Over-scrunitised rules and politics that seem to have been inflated all season.

It's silly comparing Hamilton to previous greats because, while the sport is the same, the goal posts have completely changed since then. Overtaking is much harder in the modern cars for example.

The sport has been desensitised gradually over the years to increase safety. Yes it makes races slightly less exciting but at least drivers aren't getting killed every other season - which is far more damaging to the sport.
 
That was good move though, I will have to give him that. Well im referring to the move down the inside on Kimi into turn 1 in the Italian GP. That was some move. Kimi had no chance, did'nt see him coming, damn wide Ferrari :p
 
That was good move though, I will have to give him that. Well im referring to the move down the inside on Kimi into turn 1 in the Italian GP. That was some move. Kimi had no chance, did'nt see him coming, damn wide Ferrari :p

Yes it was great but the anti bunch will argue that he was on fresh soft tyres whilst Kimi was on worn hard tyres... can't win with some people.
 
Yes it was great but the anti bunch will argue that he was on fresh soft tyres whilst Kimi was on worn hard tyres... can't win with some people.

As you might not of known, Im a bit of a Kimi fan :p I agree it was a great move, fresh tyre's or no fresh tyre's.

Watching the replays of it, it shows that Hamilton came out of nowhere to lauch it up the inside. Took some guts and faith in the car to get it stopped in time.

With him driving like that, I can only have praise for him.
 
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