Think-tank says 'downgrade Christmas'

I wonder if the think-tank deemed fit to survey a cross-section of the immigrants in the UK to see what they thought? Because I can't see them being all that fussed. Especially those from other religions, who get overtime for working what is to them, a few regular days in December. Then when they want off to celebrate their festivals, it's usually not a problem to get covered because that's likely just a few regular days to someone else. I'd call that a multicultural society, rather than "marking other major religious festivals" artificially.

I agree Christmas should be toned down a bit, but not for the reasons they gave. Having a bash to cheer up the dark days of winter goes back probably as long as humanity, we've just lost the reasoning behind it lately...
 
ajgoodfellow said:
It's this kind of liberal wishy-washy crap spouted by England-hating ***** which really ***** me off
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Do the Lib Dems actually have any policies like this or is that just a bad stereotype you're portraying? (genuine question, not trying to spark an argument)
 
This country is mainly christian.
That is why christmas is so big.
Is christmas big in predominatly muslim or sikh countries?
Is it fairycakes.

They can sod off, my religion, my pride, my freaking holiday.
 
If they want to put christmas on an even footing then give us national holidays on all the other major religions days of celebration.
 
i'm atheist, i can hack xmas, well i love it, i get stuff, and lots of good food and beer, so if other cultures don't like it they should **** off out of this country; a country which was built from tradition!
 
Squark said:
I do recognise that everyone has free will given to the by God to believe in what they want or what they see as being right.
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You believe everyone has free will given to them by God. Just like I believe you're a nut for believing in it. I don't recognise that.
 
furnace said:
Do the Lib Dems actually have any policies like this or is that just a bad stereotype you're portraying? (genuine question, not trying to spark an argument)
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I don't actually know to be honest - I wasn't really referring to them, just a stereotype of liberal extremists who find their way into think-tanks like these
 
platypus said:
You believe everyone has free will given to them by God. Just like I believe you're a nut for believing in it. I don't recognise that.
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Does that class as a personal attack?

What is it that you don't recognise? I don' quite follow what you're saying, other than that you think I'm nuts!
 
Squark said:
Does that class as a personal attack?

What is it that you don't recognise? I don' quite follow what you're saying, other than that you think I'm nuts!
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Don't go down that route... I got kapwned on the gentoo forums for arguing that people didn't have the right to question my sanity over my beliefs.

We can believe what we like, and they can believe what they like. If we believe in God, that's fine. They can believe that we've lost it, and that's fine too. We both believe the other is wrong. There's no way to prove things in such a case, and things will only become clear when we die or when God chooses to manifest himself to all and sundry.

It's kinda the whole point of faith really...
 
vonhelmet said:
...or when God chooses to manifest himself to all and sundry...
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He has, in Christ, by the way.

I don't take offence to being called mad, you can call me whatever you want for believing that Jesus is God's son, and that He is our Saviour. I'd love it if you believed it too, but you don't and I think nothing less of you for that.

I certainly does comes down to faith.

We may have derailed this thread enough :)
If you, or anyone wants to ask questions then feel free to email me
 
Squark said:
He has, in Christ, by the way.
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Yeah, but that was a while ago and a lot of people would quite like to see it with their own eyes.

Squark said:
I don't take offence to being called mad, you can call me whatever you want for believing that Jesus is God's son, and that He is our Saviour. I'd love it if you believed it too, but you don't and I think nothing less of you for that.
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Dude, I already do believe it, re-read my last post :)

Squark said:
I certainly does comes down to faith.
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Yep.
 
Squark said:
There is historical evidence though, to show that there was someone called Jesus living at that time, in that area. :)
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Was there? What was his name then? Christ being a title rather than an actual name. There are no historians that wrote about Christ that were alive at the time. There are no contemporary sources other than the bible that prove of his existence. All mention of him in history is after his alleged death and in relation Christianity. He may have existed, but there is no proof that he did.

Squark said:
Irrespective of what you believe, I was simply asking people to consider it for what the message is.
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If you don't believe in Christ or God the message is irrelevant.

I do however really like Christmas, it gives me time to spend with friends and family. The fact that I am an agnostic (atheist towards Christianity) matters little, it was after all hijacked by the Christians in the first place so I have no problems hijacking it again. And as the country's history is tied up in Christianity calling it Christmas is all good too.
 
pitchfork said:
This country is mainly christian.
That is why christmas is so big.
Is christmas big in predominatly muslim or sikh countries?
Is it fairycakes.

They can sod off, my religion, my pride, my freaking holiday.
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Haha, first thing I did when I entered this thread was ctrl + f . . . muslim. Was going to be a record for ocuk since the xenophobic crew left.

This topic was worth discussing/debating about 6 years ago, it's now getting boring blaming immigrants and wanting to nuke em/send em back.
 
Think tanks comming up with daft ideas arn't too uncommon ... don't worry too much, no one will take them seriously!

Its just the likes of the daily mail stirring things up to grab attention!
 
vonhelmet said:
Yeah, but that was a while ago and a lot of people would quite like to see it with their own eyes.

Dude, I already do believe it, re-read my last post :)
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But Jesus accomplished all that was required when he came, there is no need for him to come in the same way again.
But he is coming back, to gather all those who trust him as Lord to himself, and to to totally do away with sin YAY! But unfortunately that comes along with the judgement of the Earth and all people. Which isn't particularly happy, plus causes a lot of problems with some people.

Von thinks I'm mad, I've made it :D:p

RDM said:
...If you don't believe in Christ or God the message is irrelevant.
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That was the point of what I suggested, to seriously consider, just for a moment, what it would mean if it is true, because if it is true then the message is massively relevant.
 
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