Uh-oh. PS3 'Orange Box' fails.

Kamakazie! said:
How are MS gonna "force" Sony out of the market?
If/when the PS3 fails it will be entirely due to Sonys handling of the system. The made it too expensive, they made it too difficult to develop for and they made big errors in trying to force Blu-Ray on to consumers. MS has done nothing this round taht they didn't do last, other than being the first to market (which does make quite a big difference). Still, the 360 is not selling any where near as well as it should be if it is to "force" Sony out of the market.

Also, have you seen the losses that Sonys Playstation division is making recently? They are huge. Sony is more than capable of throwing billion after billion at the PS3 and PSP.
How much money you can throw at a failing division is dictated by Shareholders at the end of the day. If MS shareholders don't see a return on the investment soon enough then the division will get closed down.
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How? By releasing a dev kit that makes it easy to port games between the 360 and PC for one. By bribing games companies for AAA franchises that have previously been bribed by Sony too ;)

Sony might be able to afford to make huge losses - but do they have the will to do so? Remember, for Microsoft, the Xbox project is about who controls the entertainment industry of the future, for Sony, the Playstation is just another consumer electronics brand.
 
Kamakazie! said:
How are MS gonna "force" Sony out of the market?
If/when the PS3 fails it will be entirely due to Sonys handling of the system. The made it too expensive, they made it too difficult to develop for and they made big errors in trying to force Blu-Ray on to consumers.
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Can someone please explain this to me because I don't understand. How have sony made it difficult? You mean they didn't use exactly the same 360 architecture? How would that be competitive? The point is each new system has always had a new dev tools that the dev teams had to learn, so why is it any different now? Just because ms are trying to "window-ise" the console market? I don't know about you but I really don't want the only gaming console to be an ms one. And I WANT blu ray, it was one of the reasons I chose the ps3!

For all the mistakes sony did make like delaying the launch, and perhaps not giving dev teams enough initial incentive to build great release titles, I don't think the points you posted are valid sony failures.
 
Kamakazie! said:
PS3 owners should know that the console is more difficult to develop for than the 360 and as such should accept that on the whole, multi-platform games will be better on the 360, at least until (if ever) the PS3 market share overtakes that of the 360 and thus the PS3 becomes the lead platform for development of most new games.
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I don't think any ps3 owner here has tried to suggest that p3 ports will be better than the 360. I would be happy to have the title playable, if it's actually better on 360 I really don't care, I'd still buy it for ps3 if I liked the look of the game. I'd expect the lead platform to be the better version.

I think the reason people got annoyed with nokkon (in this thread anyway) is that he tried to say that the reason for GTA4 being delayed was because of the ps3 and using the old "my mates mate" thing to justify, coupled with his dictatorial posting style. Fine, everyones got an opinion but if you post like no one should argue with you you will just irritate people.

All I can say is, I cannot see any justification now that games should not run well on the ps3, ad the point of this thread (the orange box) is another example of greedy companies (i.e. VALVE) taking the short cut to get the title out asap on a platform without giving sufficient attention to it's own architecture, just to cash in. If Valve were concerned with quality they would not have tried to get EA to port their 360 code. The entire business says "cash in" to me.
 
nero120 said:
If Valve were concerned with quality they would not have tried to get EA to port their 360 code. The entire business says "cash in" to me.
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Couldn't agree more, this is an example of pure greediness on Valve\EA's part, and while it's bad for us PS3 owners, I can hardly blame em, it will still sell despite it being poorly done.

The PS3 may be a lot different from other consoles to develop on, that doesn't mean it is harder (we are all just assuming it is harder, we are gamers not developers)

I still firmly believe that EA are the only one's releasing dodgy games, I can't think of any games by other dev's that are poor ports that have been released of late, CoD4 is identical having seen both, and I believe Assassins Creed is identical too.

I'm done with all the arguing on here though.
 
If Sony fails then the next gen MS console will cost a ridiculous amount of money. I'm hoping the PS3 can gain back some ground just for the competition.

What I dont get though is why they just did n't release the PS3 with a normal DVD drive. That blu-ray drive could be the downfall of the PS3 and has cost them a huge amount of sales. End of the day, thats what caused the delays as far as Im aware.

I waited ages for the PS3 , owned a PS2 and said no way would I get a 360 but got fed up and bought one about 18 months back. Its actually really impressed me as a console but anyway, thats besides the point.

I reckon the PS3 would even be ahead of the 360 if they had n't put blu-ray on it.
 
Drukk said:
If Sony fails then the next gen MS console will cost a ridiculous amount of money. I'm hoping the PS3 can gain back some ground just for the competition.
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You mean like when the Xbox failed and Sony released the PS3 at a ridiculous amount of money?

Do you really think any company would do that again?
 
NokkonWud said:
Like I said, a lot of posters here are too new to understand that I've been just as critical of everything, not just the PS3, nor do they remember the positives I post about stuff.

I've had the same thing with a lot of new posters time and time again, but they all end up seeing that I don't play favourites, or make stuff up etc... I know I had this with JBeck not too long ago, but it was all cleared up in the end.

If you only choose to pay attention to what I say in PS3 threads then so be it, but you'll see I'm pretty active in every thread regardless of format, I'll praise what deserves praising and I'll criticise what deserves criticism too.
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Not sure what you're referring to with me, but I have to back you up on the point you're making. You are critical of the PS3, but like my criticism towards Microsoft, people fail to read between the lines or spot the posts where we put praise on them.
 
Are Sony really in that much trouble? Surely revenue brought in from previous consoles like the PS1 and PS2 plus the money brought in from the PS3 (It's actually very popular in Japan and i'm pretty sure that place is one of the most populated areas on the planet right?)

Anyways, maybe the console will be a 'failure' when compared to the 360, but I'm pretty sure they'll survive for the next round, and they may learn from their mistakes. Mistakes I see being, Late SDK Release, Split memory and a sub par GPU (Which btw would have been awesome had things turned out the way things were planned initially)
 
Drukk said:
I was thinking more extreme than that I.E. Sony pulling out of the next round of consoles totally.
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We can but dream :D Sony were arrogant and ignorant this round and killed a lot of their brand support, I would be happy with MS and Nintendo duelling it out TBH as Ninty really don't care about Europe so MS would clean up and Ninty can have Asia and the handheld market :)
 
Mr Men said:
We can but dream :D Sony were arrogant and ignorant this round and killed a lot of their brand support, I would be happy with MS and Nintendo duelling it out TBH as Ninty really don't care about Europe so MS would clean up and Ninty can have Asia and the handheld market :)
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Did Sony kill a member of your family or something? lol
 
Mr Men said:
We can but dream :D Sony were arrogant and ignorant this round and killed a lot of their brand support, I would be happy with MS and Nintendo duelling it out TBH as Ninty really don't care about Europe so MS would clean up and Ninty can have Asia and the handheld market :)
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Think you got more chance platting fog!:p
Sony WAS arrogant as they have stomped on all opposition in the last 2 gens so you can see when your on top its easy to be arrogant. If you have listened to any press conferences lately Sony have change their attitude and are far more humble in what they say and do, and to some degree have addressed many of the faults they was lambasted for.
For the PS3 to fail the 360 would have to be selling in peak PS2 type numbers, which it isnt, its selling worldwide approx the same as the PS3, in the 2 years the 360 has been out it has sold about 4.3 million consoles in the non US/Japan areas, in the time since the PS3 released approx 8 months in the same areas, it has sold approx 2.1 million so the 360 has sold twice as many consoles in 4x the amount of time. The only place the 360 is doing much better is the US, where it outsells the PS3 2.5-3-1, but how long will this last? no one knows and with the PS3 looking like its outsold the Wii for a third week in Japan i would hardly call the PS3 a failure yet.
Also Sony have the the fact that the PSP and PS2 have sold over 6 million consoles each this year not bad for a 7 yr old console and a hand held going up against the selling monster that is the DS. The PS3 has only 1 (supply constrained) Christmas in the US and Japan under its belt and none in the rest of the world, this will be the 360's 3rd (again one supply constrained), i expect in 2-3 years there to be pretty much parity in the HD console sales, but never sure about the Wii, could be another PS2 or every one could lose interest in a year or so time who knows.
Back on topic, not surprised if this is another EA shoddy port, didn't they say they couldn't be bothered to use the SPU's for this game :eek: as they thought it was a waste of time? If the game is as bad as 1up says it is then i cant see how or why they would release a broken game, surely it wouldn't be beneficial to EA to release a game in such a poor state?
 
The only thing I really can't stand about Sony right now is the terrible marketing rubbish they're spewing out.

The heavenly sword and ratchet & clank adverts are truly awful, it's almost as if they forgot the adverts were trying to sell the actual games and instead they use them to spread lies about the PS3's hardware. I don't think I ever remember an advert that has so blatantly lied about everything ... they make it sound as if heavenly sword and ratchet wouldn't be possible without blu-ray.

Oh and yes, I realise Sony are not the only ones to take advantage of the clueless customers but I've not seen much worse.
 
scorza said:
Sony might be able to afford to make huge losses - but do they have the will to do so? Remember, for Microsoft, the Xbox project is about who controls the entertainment industry of the future, for Sony, the Playstation is just another consumer electronics brand.
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That, is nonsense.

As is the constant unrelenting arguing that goes on in this forum regarding the relative merits of games consoles.


This thread for instance, the PS3 is bad (apparently) because a awful game based on another 3 year old awful game hasnt been coded correctly by the laziest development house on the planet.

That apparently is the fault of Sony.

Right.....................
 
@Damarus

Ive seen them sporting bluray in their adverts, which is the norm for an advertisement is it not? Show off something good your product has?

Why would they ever say "this can also be done on a dvd9 console"

Its not like when you see a panasonic advert for a TV they say, We are awesome, We have great screens, But if you want to save money go Samsung or if youd like a better screen get a bravia.

And they dont say, panasonic has pretty good screens, they say they have the best screens with amazing colours unsurpassed and impossible to replicate by other companies.

Its called a sales pitch
 
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